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and I got very angry,

and we actually stopped

filming because of it.

And if you look

at the tapes of me at 21,

I am sitting, and to all

intents and purposes

I might as well

have not been there.

But I was really angry

that you even thought

you could get -

You wouldn't have asked some of the

other people in this program that question.

You will edit this program

as you see fit.

I've got no control over that.

You definitely come across

as this is your idea

of what you want to do

and how you see us,

and that's how you portray us.

This one may be - may be the

first one that's about us

rather than about

your perception of us.

So how up to now

have I got you wrong?

How have you got me wrong?

The last one was very much

based on... The sympathy

and-and the illness that I've got

and what I may or may

not be able to do.

It should have been

about what I can do,

what I am doing,

what-what I will do.

Don't make that mistake, Mike.

I am no way - I am -

I am down and I am depressed

about my illness,

but I'm certainly not down

and depressed about my life.

And there are

a lot of the times

that I sit and I cringe

when I watch those programs,

not just for me,

but for other people.

You can ask me about Ian,

and you know full well

I'm going to say to you it's none of

your business, I'm not talking about it.

Now, there are people in this

program that don't do that,

that, quite of their own free will,

will talk about their marriages

or their divorces

or the state of their lives,

but I don't think

you should be into that.

I don't think you should

even be asking that.

It's part of people's lives,

and this program is

about people's lives.

Yeah, but that's -

See, to me, that's

a part of my life

that will never go

on this program.

You know I'd married. My ex-husband

never took part in this.

My partner now will never

take part in this.

But that's not my fault. No, but that's

because that's the way I want it.

But it still doesn't

stop you trying

to get that information from me.

So what would you

like to talk about

if you want me to represent you?

We've talked a bit

about the children.

What I want to do.

What I hope to do.

I just don't want

that personal conversation.

OK, well, let's talk about that -

What you hope to do and

what you hope for the boys.

What I hope to do.

I'd, actually -

I'd like to go back to school

so that I can hold a conversation

with anybody in the world

and know what I'm talking about.

So that I'm not stuck -

"I know a little bit about that,

but I don't really know enough."

I'd love to know...

Actually, I'd really love to start

my education all over again.

My mum, 'cause she got five girls,

she had seven -

um, seven years' bad luck.

That's why she's got five girls.

I'd like to be able

to have a happy family.

I mean, I know that it's not possible

to be happy all the time,

but as much of the time

that it was possible.

I don't know what Suzy's had.

What's Suzy had that I haven't had?

I mean, until I know that...

(Michael) Are you different

from what I should have expected

at 7 and 14 and 21?

Maybe not enough, but I've got it.

I think I'm actually more intelligent

than you thought I would be.

I have reached a level,

um... in my life

that I'm happy with,

and I enjoy doing - being -

I enjoy being me,

but I don't think you

ever really expected me

to turn out the way I have.

How was that, Lee?

Great!

(laughing, indistinct)

If we did all love Geoffrey

and we all want to marry him,

I think I know the one that

he likes best, and that's her.

I don't think I'd...

Get married too early.

I'd like to have

a full life first, and...

I'd like to enjoy myself

before I -

Yeah, before you can commit

yourself to a family.

Marriage means a different thing

to me. I've still got my ideals.

I don't know

what it's all about.

Sue was 24 when she married Billy.

They had two children -

William and Catherine.

I think that to

get married young

there must be things

that you miss.

You must miss that crucial

stage of being yourself,

because the minute you get married,

you're no longer a single being.

You're a partnership, and that

should be the idea behind it.

By the time she was 35,

she and Billy had divorced.

I've never sat down and thought,

well, what was it?

Was it this, was it that?

I just knew it wasn't working.

There have been relationships

when I could have settled,

but they didn't feel quite right,

so I've always come

away and pulled away

and just waited until

the right one come along,

if they ever do.

Don't you remember you told

me you loved me, baby?

At 42, when we filmed Sue

in the karaoke bar,

she brought Glen along

to watch her sing.

...Baby, baby,

baby, oh, baby

We've just met and

things are going well,

but now obviously things

have gone very well.

(Michael) Is this love?

Oh, I think so, yeah.

We've known each other for a long,

long time before the seven years,

and we've always,

always liked each other.

He's good looking.

He's very good looking.

He's not bad, is he?

Everyone says he looks

like... Paul Weller.

Whether that's true or not,

especially now he's growing his hair.

(Jackie) Susan most of all

likes Lesley. Do I?

She keeps changing

her mind, though.

Yeah. I don't know

which one, really.

Everything's not

that cut and dried.

It's not either a career

or family or -

But it's what's in the middle.

Am I just going to carry

on as I am now for -

And end up on a shelf,

or am I just going to get

married, could be any day?

I've been married, and I've

not got that urgency.

Glen - we sort of

say maybe we will.

We're engaged, you know,

we're committed.

We've bought a house together,

and to me, that's a big commitment.

Every house needs money spending

on it when you move in.

To have a wedding, you gotta

put some cash into it.

When I got married,

the primary reason was because

I wanted to have a child.

The two, to me, went together.

Have you and Glen thought

of having your own child?

Well, Glen got with me when -

We got together, I should say,

when I was in my 40's,

and you don't have a baby when

you've just started a relationship.

I didn't want to

do all that again.

I would have loved to

have had a baby with him,

because he would make

a wonderful parent,

but the timing was off.

So she's your baby?

She's my new baby, yeah.

Yeah, my kids are my babies,

but she's my new baby.

She's our baby, mine and Glen's.

She's a wonderful terrier.

She's got such character.

What does she do?

Well, she watches TV with us.

She's got her own

favourite programs.

And she adores Rolf Harris,

absolutely adores Animal Hospital.

She's at the top of the house,

and the music comes on,

she runs down the stairs and

puts herself in front of the TV

for Rolf Harris.

So, the house looks nice.

You pleased with it?

I am very pleased with it.

It's a lovely step for us.

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