American Anarchist

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The book, as I read it,

advocates the violent overthrow

of the American government.

I was very fed up

with the government.

But it wasn't...

It wasn't a call to action.

There's no call to action

in the book itself.

How often do you read the book?

I haven't read it

since I wrote it.

I don't have a copy of it.

On the original,

it was just the warning.

"Keep in mind that

the topics written about here

"are illegal

and constitute a threat.

"Also, more importantly,

"almost all the recipes

are dangerous.

"This book is not for

children or morons."

It's true.

It's not a book for children,

and it's not a book for morons.

Um...

The book is published in 1970.

You were equipping people

with this knowledge to do what?

I'm... Yeah,

I don't think that...

I don't think I hoped they would do

anything with it, quite frankly.

"This is a book

for anarchists...

"those who feel able

to discipline themselves

"on all the subjects, from drugs

to weapons, to explosives."

I don't think the book

actually says,

"This is what you should do

with this information."

In fact, it doesn't.

"A freedom fighter

can never surrender,

"for if he does, he becomes

part of the problem.

"There is no trial

in times of trouble.

"Just torture and death."

It's not, you know, "let's go

and burn the government down."

I... That's not there.

"The only laws an individual

can truly respect and obey

"are those

he instills in himself.

"There is only one choice

for a real man,

"and that is revolution."

"This country,

with its institutions,

"belongs to the people

who inhabit it.

"Whenever they shall grow weary

of the existing Government,

"they can exercise their

constitutional right of amending it,

"or their revolutionary right

to dismember or overthrow it."

So, what were you advocating?

I think I was advocating

people to think for themselves.

Bomb-making is essentially

open-source information.

And it has been that way

for a long time.

It has been that way

since before the Internet.

In the late 1960s

and early 1970s,

the US went through a period

when we had lots of bombings.

Bombs went off in Southern

California, Northern California,

also in New York City.

From the middle of that morass

emerged this:

"The Anarchist Cookbook."

So many bombings in the '70s,

large dynamite bombs

all over the place.

And we would frequently find

"The Anarchist Cookbook"

at the bomber's house when

we served the search warrants.

"The Anarchist Cookbook"...

A do-it-yourself

bomb-making manual

written in the early 1970s

by William Powell.

Would you

say you are uncomfortable

identifying yourself

as an American?

I'm not comfortable

with an identity

that links me with

one patriotic group.

Over the years, have

you been contacted by the media?

Oh, there was a string

of invitations to interview.

Requests from

BBC, "Newsweek,"

"The Guardian," Charlie Rose...

I didn't know

who Charlie Rose was.

There were several others,

which I turned down.

Kind of out of touch

with the media

and the media culture.

And I've been living

outside the United States

for the last 36 years.

That's where I'm comfortable.

In 1967,

I was 16, 17 years old.

Started to hitchhike

towards New York City.

It was the summer,

Lower East Side.

The pot and psychedelic cult.

They reject square society,

and claim they

can build a better one.

Power to the people!

Power to the people!

It was heady times.

People were left wing,

they were certainly anti-war.

People were very much aware

of the Civil Rights movement.

Feminism was

coming into its own.

You had the beginning

of the Gay Pride Movement.

I was living on 10th Street

just off Avenue A.

It was a railroad apartment.

It had the bathtub

in the kitchen.

I worked at Book Masters,

a chain of bookstores

that really prided itself

on being into

whatever was hip.

Book signings

by Salvador Dal,

Andy Warhol

and the Velvet Underground,

Edward Gorey, Richard Avedon,

the photographer.

It was very exciting.

I can remember a phone call

that I got from the manager,

and he said,

"The police are on the way.

"We've just been busted

for selling 'Zap Comix No. 4'

"and Ed Sanders' 'F*** You/

a magazine of the arts.'

"Get 'em off the shelf,

the cops are on the way."

At that point in time,

some of the raunchiest

bookstores in the world

were on Times Square.

X-rated pornography shops.

The police couldn't care less.

They were interested

in the counterculture.

So that was a real eye-opener

in terms of the morals squad

of the police department.

I was in the process

of forming opinions

about politics, about myself.

I went to two or three

of the marches on Washington,

the Moratorium.

I felt that I was really involved

in something larger than myself.

A cultural sea-change.

We were going to move

from irresponsible power

in the hands of

a few old white men

to a much fairer society

where people of color

and women had equal opportunity.

Where we didn't make

wars of choice

halfway around the world

that didn't make any sense.

I was increasingly

angry about the war.

The increasing fatalities

on both the Vietnamese side

and the American side,

which I thought was a complete

and utter waste.

Peaceful demonstrations started

to become more and more violent.

The days of putting flowers

into the barrels of rifles

was rapidly coming to an end.

Up until this time, there wasn't

a real radical movement.

There was

a movement of the mouth.

I believe that it's now time for new

tactics in the anti-war movement.

Mass demonstrations

are ineffective

because power is so removed

from the people.

People became impatient.

And demonstrators

came to demonstrations

more and more with the intention

of provoking violence.

So you move from protest

to armed conflict.

Those pigs in Washington,

every time they try

to devour one warrior,

we're gonna take our fists

and put it right into

their fat gut.

Washington police used

tear gas to drive them away,

and arrests were made.

Attorney General John Mitchell

characterized this instance

as evidence of

the violent nature

of the Moratorium protest.

"The Village Voice" announced

that there was going to be

a "Yip-in" at

Grand Central Station.

A celebration of life.

It was enormous.

And people were dancing,

and bongo drums,

and singing, and people

were smoking dope openly.

Really in your face

to the establishment.

Something exciting, something

possibly dangerous was happening.

There was a police presence.

Just before midnight,

two young men climbed up

onto the information desk

that's in the middle of

Grand Central Station...

and there's a clock above it...

and they ripped

the hands from the clock.

Why? I don't know.

I suspect that they were stoned.

But that was a signal

for the police to intervene.

They did. And it turned very

bloody very, very quickly.

Police came in swinging batons,

they were

absolutely indiscriminate.

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