Audrie & Daisy

[interviewer] I'm gonna not refer to you

by name, so that we keep you anonymous.

So, I'll refer to you as John R.

And we're gonna use animation

to hide your identity.

-Sure, yeah.

-Okay.

[interviewer]

So... what's your understanding

of what we're doing here today?

An interview. On...

the Audrie Pott case.

[interviewer]

What is the Audrie Pott case?

Uh, there was a...

there was a... a criminal case...

about a night on September 2nd, 2012.

And Audrie Pott committed suicide

and there was a bunch of...

things out there

and it's a whole case.

Yeah. [sighs]

[interviewer] I'm gonna refer to you

as John B in the course of this interview,

so that we don't use your name.

And we'll disguise your face

to keep you anonymous.

Okay.

[interviewer]

How would you describe the case?

[John B] It was definitely very hard.

I was really tormented in school, like...

I was being bumped up in the hallway

and, you know, called a rapist,

and, yeah, a lot of...

a lot of harsh terms and...

My car, it got, um... spray painted.

And then on the... on the back it said,

like, "For Audrie."

[interviewer] So, you felt kids were

blaming you for Audrie's death?

[John B] Yes. Definitely.

[interviewer] Did you know when you were

taking those pictures that it was a crime?

-Did you know that in the moment?

-No. Not at all.

You know, we just thought it'd be funny

to just laugh and joke about.

And kids said they saw the photos.

I think the whole football team got

interviewed by the police, and so...

Yeah, that's what happened.

SARATOGA, CALIFORNIA

[attorney 1] This is media number one

of the video tape deposition of John B.

Case name, Pott v. John B, et al.

Case number 1-1-3-C-V-2-4-4-6-8-9.

[attorney 2] Okay. Um...

Going back in time, the party happened

on September 3, 2012. Right?

[John B] Yes.

[indistinct chatter]

[whistle blows]

[coach] Mike, out. Mike, out.

[attorney 2] How did you become

aware of the party?

[John B sighs]

[all chanting] Defense, defense, defense!

[John B] It is pretty blurry, it was...

almost four years ago.

So, I mean...

I hear this party is being hosted

by Audrie and, um, Emily.

And it was my first party

I've ever been to.

I was a freshman. I just got my license.

You know,

kinda thought I was cool and stuff.

I drove my friends there.

[whooping]

[Larry Pott] Sheila and I

have shared joint custody of Audrie.

A couple days a week for me,

and Sheila had a couple days a week.

She was always a happy kid, fun kid.

She loved practical jokes.

[Sheila Pott] And when she got older,

we used to like to cook together.

Sometimes we would

turn on the Food Network

and we'd wait until we saw

something that we liked.

And we would go out

and get everything and make it.

[kids screaming]

And her friends would come over

and play in the pool.

She was very outgoing.

She made friends easily.

But she was very self-conscious.

So, it would be...

the bra, the cami

and then the T-shirt,

and then she would bend over in the mirror

and make sure you can't see anything.

[giggling and mumbling]

[Amanda Le]

She was one of my only true friends.

We were kind of like an inseparable pair

throughout middle school.

So, there was not a week

where we didn't go

to each other's houses at least once.

[attorney] When did you first start

accessing this Yahoo! account?

[John B] Sixth or seventh grade.

[girl speaking indistinctly]

[Amanda] They were pretty persistent,

the boys in middle school.

It was very odd, like... even today

I think back and it's like, wow!

There was definitely pressure

to have b*obs.

And I had none. [laughs]

I'm gonna admit it, I was a late bloomer.

[Amanda] So, boys didn't ask me

for pictures and things like that

because I didn't have anything to send.

But most of the girls in my grade did.

Yeah, couple of girls in our group

of friends actually, they did full nude.

[interviewer] Did Audrie?

[Amanda] No, she never did.

Boys always asked her,

'cause, you know, she was one of

the most developed girls in our grade.

So, naturally, boys will always

ask her for it first, you know?

Uh, but I made her promise me,

"Never ever send them.

You'll just get made fun of,

or, like, it'll just...

It would be wrong."

[girl 1] You scared me. I was like...

[chuckles]

[girl 2] Oh.

[engine starting]

[indistinct chatter and laughter]

[Amanda] We got to Emily's

and they were already wasted. Everybody.

They were just, like, very sloppy,

you know, pizza was on the floor.

People were, like,

making out on the couch and...

It was just uncomfortable.

[John R] People with hickeys.

Hands down each other's pants.

It's like, I don't know,

it's kinda new to me to see that.

[Amanda] Audrie was really messed up.

She was, like, making out with people.

I took her upstairs and had her lay down,

but then she just came back downstairs.

So, I left.

And then, I guess, things got worse.

[attorney]

when you went to go retrieve the markers.

-[defense] Object to the form.

-[John R] I remember saying,

"Let's go draw on Audrie,"

when I saw the markers.

Um...

Part of it, the drawing part was

like a practical joke.

Like, we've grown up,

coloring on our cousins,

and when someone falls asleep,

there's coloring on each other,

just 'cause, like...

Didn't mean for there to be any harm

in it, other than a practical joke.

Audrie actually drew on me in class,

like, a few days before that weekend

anyways, and I was just...

Yeah, it was just...

[mumbles] a stupid thing. But...

It wasn't like we were trying to, like,

shame her or, like, be mean or anything.

[attorney] Uh, and for the record...

[defense] Object to the form.

[attorney speaking]

[defense] Instruct him not to answer that.

[Larry] I didn't know

anything at the time.

But they used...

indelible markers.

Completely covered

one whole side of her face,

lifted up her bra and her panties,

drew on her private parts,

um, wrote nasty things on her body,

and then...

um, sexually assaulted her.

[chimes]

[Sheila] The next morning,

I went and I picked her up.

And I noticed right away that she had

green marker down the side of her leg.

And I said,

"Why do you have green pen on you?"

And she made some excuse like,

"Oh, so-and-so did something."

[Amanda] She said, "I'm scared. What if...

I did something that I didn't wanna do."

Uh, she had no clue about the pictures,

though.

And I remember, I think maybe

during break or during lunch or something,

I saw a group of boys just,

like, crowded around.

They were looking down, so it looked like

they were looking at a phone.

I said, "Look at that, like,

they're definitely looking at a picture."

She witnessed it right there, you know.

[Larry] So, when she's investigating this,

it didn't matter if one person saw

or 4,000 people saw.

Because to Audrie,

everybody in her little world,

which was that high school,

everybody had seen it.

[Sheila] The next week,

she texted me around 12:00, 12:30.

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