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abandoned their cars, and there was a story

talking about all the cars that were abondoned

as these Indians caught a

one-way ticket home to go home.

And it's happening in Britain too.

You have lots of Poles and Eastern Europeans,

who were the latecomers in the EU,

fleeing Britain to go home.

In some areas, and certainly

in the Southern Californian basin,

with 13 to 14 million people

and a 4-day food supply,

it's clear that people are

gonna migrate out of this area,

as it's not sustainable.

We get most of our water from Northern California.

That's a problem.

We get a lot of our electricity

from Hoover Dam out in Las Vegas.

Phoenix, for god's sake, Las Vegas,

those people have to worry about where to go,

and community is what will save us.

You're gonna have to do it in conjunction with your

neighbors and your family and people around you.

You will fail as a rugged individual, you will

survive as a member of a tribe or a family.

I have emotion about this,

I'm losing it.

We have waited, have waited for so long

for somebody to listen to us.

When the mainstream press

and the government says

nobody could have predicted this,

they're lying through their f***ing teeth!

We all saw exactly what was gonna happen,

and how it was gonna happen,

and remarkably,

when it was gonna happen.

None of us expected the collapse to be as severe

as it's proving to be, or as fast as it's proving to be.

But we've been screaming for years,

and we've been watching everything

we said come to pass,

and we have felt so

angry.

I haven't lost emotional connection to it. What I have

learned to do over the course of my life, is to balance

the, uhm, the horror,

with love, with play, with making people smile.

I take my dog out for a walk and we count how many

smiles we can inflict in the course of one walk.

I walk through downtown Culver City and,

you know, I usually come with say,

oh, that was 23 smiles we created today.

And for some reason at this moment in time,

that's a very precious little treat for me.

There was a, uhm, psychologist, psychiatrist,

Elisabeth Kbler-Ross,

who talked about the five stages of grief.

Uhm, and when you're hit with

an overwhelming life changing situation,

the first is denial. This can't possibly be happening,

it's not true. No, it's not happening.

And you stay in denial,

and you fight to stay in denial.

Then comes anger.

I really believe that mankind is now entering

just barely and has just barely crossed

the treshold of the anger fase.

We have to get through the anger fase,

and how we get through that anger fase,

is going to be critical.

The way we're going under current

government and monetary rule,

the only kind of anger that's going to be produced,

is the destructive kind.

born of absolute frustration and bitterness that

nothing that's being sold to us as being a solution,

is making us feel any goddamn better.

Then of course after that, we have the bargaining.

Well the bargaining is kind of going on now too.

Maybe I could've done something different,

maybe I should've though of this.

M-m-maybe if I do this now,

it won't be different.

Then you go through the bargaining and you finally get to

a place of depression, where it's really starting to sink in.

And these are all emotional stages,

that one goes through, whether they're

an individual or a culture,

or a civilisation.

And the final stage is acceptance.

And it's really only when people reach the point of

that you can find those people who are like

part of the ones on the Titanic, saying,

okay, show us how to build a lifeboat.

You know, there's different ways to look at-

You can find stories that

support arguments that you wanna make,

just because there's different authors

that sort of support your world view,

and there's others that don't.

Is it possible to sort of create,

uhm, a reality

based on picking new stories

that support your worldview?

I don't do debates anymore. And the reason why

I don't do debates anymore, is because I don't have to.

At some point, you have to acknowledge the fact

that what I've been writing about,

what I've saying,

is actually happening all around us.

So why do I need to debate anything?

Why does the peak oil movement,

why does the sustainability movement

need to debate anything?

Everything that we said was gonna happen,

is taking place right now.

Every aspect of human existence is

on the table.

As far as political parties go,

they're all anachronisms.

They're all products of centuries gone by.

The human race now is only going to be concerned,

not with an ideology,

but what allows them to survive.

Capitalism, socialism and communism

are all terms that need to be tossed

in the trash can immediately,

because all of them were created

on the assumption of infinite resources.

Not one of those ideologies that are now

dead dinosaurs, archaic fossils,

are no longer relevant to our way of life.

Not one of them recognizes

that there must be a balance between

growth, and the resources,

and the planet.

Forget the idea that you can have

as much as you want,

because until mankind surrenders to the fact

that it lives on a finite planet,

and it must have balance with that planet,

with the planet's resources,

with the animal life and all the other life,

there can be no happiness for anything.

Anything.

It's all about getting balance back.

And who sold me the idea

that it was my destiny to grow-,

nothing grows forever, there's no such thing

as infinite growth, it's not possible.

Look around at everything you see

around you that's living, that there is a cycle.

Birth, growth, maturation, decline and death.

The challenge being faced by the human race now,

is either evolve or perish.

Either grow up, or die.

God doesn't care.

God's not gonna play babysitter for us.

The challenge is either

you grow up and mature, change your minds

in the way you think that you're gonna perish.

Everything is on the table now, God is on the table,

every religion in the world is on the table now.

They'll all be measured as standards by,

this is reality and this is what the religion says.

And every religion in the world is

gonna be under huge microscop-

This is gonna be the greatest age of evolution

in human thinking that's ever taken place.

You walk towards your fear, you embrace your fear,

you don't try to hedge it,

that a part of real living as a human being,

as a spiritual being, is to embrace and encompass

your fear, your love,

and not run away from anything,

because that's the life experience.

And it's in that richness that, I think,

we find the most beautiful art,

the most beautiful music, we find the richness

of what the human soul can offer,

and I see all that richness buried under such

bullshit.

Can you talk about your own spirituality?

You talk about a lot of different religions.

How do you define your own spirituality?

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