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that was it.

The evidence against Ulbricht was so

powerful and Dratel's strategy had been

to try to cross examine

every government witness

and to pull out his alternative story

through that cross examination.

And when the judge essentially

shut that down and said

you have to limit your cross

examination to the scope

of the government's...

initial questioning,

that really prevented him from

telling any other story.

We have a much more informed perspective

than the rest of the world.

Uh, we have meetings

that we've had with Josh

through the last year and three

months, uh, regular meetings.

We know about

how he felt like

he might win the case,

uh, in cross examination.

Uh, we know that the government,

that his witnesses were...

were, uh, blocked

from testifying.

Um, we were in the courtroom and we

saw what happened and... and the...

the, uh, the travesty...

the, uh, appalling,

um, obstruction of justice

that happened.

There was 5,000 pages

of government evidence

to do with one witness alone,

Jarod Der-Yeghiayan.

None of that was allowed.

5,000 pages, and it was dumped on

the defense 10 days before trial.

Another 2,500 pages for other

witnesses was dumped

on the defense

a week before trial.

And it was full of

exculpatory evidence

favorable to Ross that was

not permitted to be used.

All this great,

huge field of evidence

that came out in the 3,500

material, a week before trial,

that was...

that would help

prove Ross's innocence

was excluded from being

brought out in the courtroom.

It would have been

a whole different case.

- This was the trial that didn't happen.

- The trial that didn't happen.

The trial just didn't happen,

because it was only

the prosecution's

narrative that we heard.

So then what about the hacking

of the Silk Road servers?

- What about the precedent issue of

the case? - We didn't get that far.

You know, we didn't get to even

have that kind of public hearing

where the FBI has to say how they

did it and then we get to decide

whether that was

legal or illegal.

That's maybe the most

frustrating thing about this

case from a legal point of view

is that American law enforcement

hacked a foreign server,

I believe,

and they didn't

have a warrant...

and they completely got away

with it and nobody's even...

nobody even gets to ask any

questions about it.

- How is Ross through all of this?

- He's an amazing guy.

You know, he's handling this

so much better than I would've.

I... I don't know how I could've

taken what he's, uh,

put up with and been subjected to

in this last year and three months.

And we pray that, uh...

his spirit won't be

crushed by this.

It seems that Ross conceived

of the Silk Road,

that he ran it for its

entire existence online.

I actually accept that the

government has proven that.

But Ross Ulbricht...

is a fascinating character.

He invented this brilliant thing.

He had principles.

He wasn't just a cyber-criminal.

He wasn't just a drug lord or a kingpin

as he's described in these charges.

He was also an idealistic guy.

And I'm gonna be conflicted

about both the kind of virtue of

the Silk Road and of Ross Ulbricht as

a person, I think, for the rest of my life.

I'm not gonna be able to come

to a conclusion about this.

Um, got any more questions

or should we wrap it up?

Yes.

What are you going to do

over the next five years?

In one sentence.

Um...

I'm going to do a few things

but one sentence isn't enough.

I'm pretty sure I want to start

a family in the next five years.

That's okay.

And a...

Yeah, make more friends and,

close people I love.

Focus on being more

connected to people.

And...

20 years?

20 years.

I want to have had a...

substantial, positive impact on,

the future of humanity

by that time.

Do you think you're going to

live forever?

I think it's a possibility...

I honestly do.

I think I might live

forever in some form

by that time with technologies

changing so fast.

Cool, I hope I'm going there.

Sweet.

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