DEFCON: The Documentary Page #11

The Summit, 1,500...789 dollars...

$15,000...$15,789!

And Hacker Jeopardy, for a total

of $30,380...so thank you,

thank you very much!

So I'm going to go over here

So... you have to understand, he's made this

promise for what, 3 years in a row now?

This is beautiful, we have been waiting

for this, time for Jeff to get his hawk.

Now, Jeff failed to mention that he has

like 6 different meetings with incredibly

important people around the world

in the next couple of weeks

You know, it's actually really nice

fulfilling a promise, cause now

they can't bug me

True!

That's true, now, but I haven't decided,

don't I have to donate money to the EFF

for this?

Of course!

I was thinking maybe $10,000

What do you think? That's

probably a pretty good thing...

Thank you very much, see

you next year! Woo!

I joke with Jeff that he could cancel

it tomorrow, like legitimately

cancel it, say "Screw it, I'm done. I'm

going to do something else with my time."

And DEF CON would still happen, it would

continue to happen. Everybody would just

go to Vegas anyways. Eventually people would

start talking about stuff. Eventually

they'd say, "Let's go down to the bar and

take over this empty conference room and"

"talk about it." And DEF CON would

continue to happen organically, probably

for years after we just

walked away from it.

So, for those of you who aren't in the

conference business, what happens is you

sign hotel contracts for years in the future.

You have to look into the future

and decide, "Ok, 2 years from now, are

we going to be burned out? Are people"

even want to come to DEF CON 2 years in

the future or 3 years in the future?"

Because you have to sign these hotel

contracts years in advance, and so who

could you hand this off to? Or who would

want to take on that responsibility?

And I think the conclusion I've

come to is, I'd probably just stop.

You know, and I'd... people could continue

the organization, continue, they'd just

name it something different. I'd give

them all my projectors, it would carry on

maybe under a different name, but it

probably wouldn't carry on under the

DEF CON name. The only scenario I figured

that out was if I get hit by a bus and I die

and I want to have the final DEF CON,

huge party, though somebody would have to

plan that, cause I wouldn't be around.

I don't know why, every year, honestly.

Every year after DEF CON, I think half

the senior staff says never again. All

of us, we're all, "Yeah me too, me too."

And then all your friends, I have friends

all over the world that DEF CON for sure

they show up to. And, you get wound up,

you get excited for it, you look forward

to the experience again. So...

yeah, we forget how much it hurt.

Yeah, I do it, I've been doing it for a long time.

You know, my second, she's 10

years younger than I am, she's been doing

it for 5 years. She's probably due for

her shot to do it, and I can be the old

grey beard that shows up at DEF CON, just

sits in the corner has a

beer, and reminisces.

I can honestly say that without that first

DEF CON, and without, you know, shaking

hands and meeting people, becoming a Goon,

I wouldn't be the position that I'm

in now, and I wouldn't have the career

and the means to support my family that

I do now.

It's outside of my imagination,

missing a DEF CON.

When I started, it was like, "Oh my God,

I found my home!" and that was, that's

kind of where it started, for me.

Once I got to the first one, I

was hooked from that point on.

It's a degenerate family reunion.

These people are my family. It's a family

reunion, you gotta come every year and

see everyone.

Basically, if you go once, you're hooked.

DEF CON is, it's an experience like

nothing else. It's great people and a

great atmosphere, and I think from the

time that I went, I knew that I would

always go, that I would find a way to

make sure that I was there every year,

and 13 years later I'm still going.

These people aren't just my friends, they're

my family, you know, and I genuinely

genuinely love them.

I don't believe it's appropriate

to talk about that on camera.

Ah, I can't discuss that.

I'll tell the story, but I don't

think we should actually...

No, no naming names, no naming names

We'll tell you off-camera

I can neither confirm nor deny that.

Sorry.

All right! Edit that out...

Nothing I'm going to admit on camera

at this time, and 'til the statutes of

limitations run out. And then I'm happy

to admit it later on, that's once we've

you know, checked with the

lawyers and all that stuff.

I think half of the experiences of

my life that I attribute back to...

happened at DEF CON. I don't know how

many of them I can talk about, I probably

can't talk about any of them. I

really would like to, but, ahh, I...

Transcription by: Anch, Phorkus,

AlxRogan, Medic, Panadero, and Russr

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