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And at that point, you don't

know who killed who.

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We're sitting in the

locker room with Ellis Kidd.

Coach is beginning to tell Ellis

the story about the drugs.

He's telling him, "I've

already got this information.

I'm just looking for

confirmation from you that

this information is accurate."

Now, that is a lie.

There are no witnesses

saying there's wads of cash.

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We listened to the tape

before, the other tape where

you say we're going to

invent wads of cash,

but he is now attributing his

lie to other witnesses.

That's calculation.

I think when the lights are

off and the doors are closed,

God knows what some of these

coaches are saying.

This was the ultimate, lights

are off, doors closed

and we are plotting to not just

cover up NCAA rules violations,

but besmirch the name of

a young man whose body

has just been found in a

field outside of Waco.

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There was never one person

that said they actually

saw Patrick selling drugs.

There were people who said...

they were saying he

smoked marijuana,

but selling drugs, no.

As far as things went with

inside the apartment

with drugs and whatnot, I never

saw any evidence to suggest

that Patrick was selling drugs.

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I don't take sides.

I gather the facts and present

them to the DA's office,

who presents these

facts to the court.

I was never on his side.

When Coach Bliss says that

the police are on our side

and the athletic director's

on our side

and the head of the

Investigative Committee

is on our side,

the kids were definitely

going to believe Coach Bliss.

When I approached Ellis Kidd,

I made it clear to him that

he did not need to do this.

He did not need to

participate in this plan.

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[Abar] I remember Coach Bliss

demanding a meeting with

R.T. and Ellis together to

practice their story

in the locker room.

Both of them know

what the story is.

They both know it's a lie.

They both know what Coach is

asking them to do

and at this point, they are

trying to please him.

And Coach says something like,

"Was there cocaine there?"

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And Coach kind of picks up

on this and runs with it

because he pulls out

a tape recorder.

Now, I'm tape recording

this conversation.

He pulls out a tape recorder

and gives it to them.

And I think he handed it to me,

where he gave it to me and said,

"Have them practice their

stories" or something like that.

And I am just sitting

there like, shocked.

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[Robbins] What else was that,

other than telling the sheriff,

they're telling law enforcement

a bullshit story that would

throw them off the track and to

me I mean, that-that fell

into the category of

trying to subvert the

investigation of a crime.

[Abar] R.T. Guinn repeated

the story to Mr. Underwood

that Coach Bliss had told him

and made him practice

down in the locker room.

I know that for certain because

he confirmed that to me.

I don't have full confirmation

that he repeated it to the

sheriff, which was Coach Bliss'

intentions all along,

but I'm pretty certain

that he did.

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I was called into the

investigative chambers

over at the law school.

Professor Underwood asked if he

could look at my bank statements

because he had reason to

believe that I may have

paid for the tuition.

And I knew I was caught

at that time.

And so, I asked the other

members of the committee to

leave the room because

Professor Underwood was a

good friend of mine and

I wanted to talk to him

and apologize to him in private.

Uh... I have resigned

Baylor University,

effective immediately.

Um...

Today, I was made aware of some

situations within our program

after meeting with the

Inquiry Committee,

that rules were broken and

I intend to cooperate fully

as the inquiry continues.

Uh, I'll do what I can

to make things right.

Thank you.

[Bliss] What you go through

when you have in front of you,

not only having paid

for the scholarship,

which is an NCAA crime.

But then you have a violation

of the code of life,

where you are willing to lie

to the people that you

love the most and lie to the

people that have trusted you

and lie to the parents of

people that you have said

you'll look after their son.

I had allowed the world of

competitive athletics to just

take me to a place that was so

dark and devious that I just,

I just tried to wake up

from the nightmare,

but it just wasn't to be.

I can't speak for everybody,

but I don't think any of us

are the people that we

sometimes think we are.

When Bliss resigned,

that's when I heard

about the tapes.

We had a three-way phone

conversation with

Abar's attorney at the time,

LaNelle McNamara

and he had given them to

Ms. McNamara and she, I think

had turned them into cassettes

and had given them

to someone else within

the Baylor community

for some sort of safekeeping

and that they were going

to go to the NCAA.

When the NCAA gets them,

you will get them.

So, I went down to Waco the

Thursday night before

and went to her house and she

gave me the cassette tape.

Several.

Two, I think, with these

taped conversations on them.

And the meeting with the NCAA

was going to be the next day

and here you go, listen to them,

but I need them back

in the morning for the meeting.

I started to listen and I

started to take a few notes

and then I started to

transcribe them.

I got lost in it and I just

kept going and going.

And the next thing I knew,

I looked up and it was dawn

and I thought maybe this is what

it was like, for the first time,

to hear Nixon talking to

Haldeman because it was just

so unvarnished and so raw.

I'll never forget, I talked

to Abar that morning

for maybe 15 minutes.

Why did you do this?

And did Harvey- did Bliss

really say what I think he said

about Harvey Thomas?

And the last thing he said to me

as he walked out the door,

he said, "Well here goes my

career," something like that.

And I said, "Man, I sure

hope not.

I hope they get this."

[reporter] The Fort Worth

Star-Telegram reports

obtaining secretly recorded

conversations of

Coach Dave Bliss engineering

a cover-up.

Baylor University officials

are expressing outrage

over revelations that their

former basketball coach,

told players to lie in the

Patrick Dennehy investigation.

The toughest morning

that I went through,

I believe was the day after

the tapes came out.

Because the tapes is when,

you know,

it's over for him, you know,

there's no more hiding.

I can't tell you what a

stunning revelation

that is and how--

I mean, how it just

feels like a knife

stabbing straight

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