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it was an actual closet.
I think he might have some pride
Or just want something more,
but for me,
It was, i was having so much fun
building it,
I just didn't care.
You know, i get occasionally
A little bit uncomfortable
And you'd be crawling out of,
you know,
Your sleeping bag.
So fanning had written
his version one
And being not
professionally trained,
Uh, not trained at all...
uh, and just, just having
his ideas and ah,
Here's a computer
and this wonder for learning
And for for absorbing, uh,
We'll just go and try
and make it work.
And it didn't work. Like every,
everyone's first hello world program.
His was file sharing stuff.
Didn't work,
so listen to the group for help.
And i was there.
At the start was
pretty much myself
And a lot of people online
that were helping out
Just to make it work.
Helping fix problems,
stuff like that.
He sort of asked, hey, how,
What do you think?
But unlike anyone else,
He wouldn't let us
see the source code.
I was like, oh really?
Well that sounds
like it's probably
unchecked battery condition.
Or something like that.
And show, show us the code
and we'll fix it for you.
And he was like, no.
Okay. This was kind of cool
because
It came out as a challenge.
It's like,
i'm not going to tell you,
But i'm going to keep soliciting
for help.
So, we're all hackers.
This is what we do.
We, you know, [stammers]
Establish commercial vendor x
Does not want to share
anything with us.
Yet, we are going
to find a way in.
Just the idea that
we were gonna build
The first decentralized
file system.
I think the patent, actually,
the napster patent
Uses this terminology.
You talk about a
distributed file system.
Since 1998.
We've been discussing it
In our community
and we've been told
By a lot of, you know,
pretty experienced
Technical minds
That the technical challenge
associated
With a decentralized file system
Was actually too difficult.
It was believed
that this wouldn't scale.
He would load up this app
and it would basically
Connect to one of our servers
And ask for a napster server
That would be accessible
In like the lowest
possible load.
Allowing you to search the uh...
file names to find,
you know, what, whatever
You know, noncommercial
uh, legal, legal music...
uh, was available.
But you would basically
have a, a chance
To kind of search all,
some of all those files
That were out there, that once
you've decided you wanted one,
It would actually, um,
facilitate the connection,
Would happen directly to that,
'that um, that source.
It's funny that a lot of the
file sharing technologies
Are stressed when people
talk about napster.
But as i said, i mean
sean and i met through irc,
Which is like a chat community,
you know,
A chat based community.
And that's a huge part
Of like why
we created it as well.
You know,
To meet people through music.
Sometimes that's overlooked
and yeah,
I think that you know,
what we're providing
Is just a way
for people to share
Their personal material
and meet people
With similar interests
and communicate with them.
That's exactly how people
discover music
In the first place. You know,
You find out about music
from your friends
Who maybe listen
To something similar
to what you listen to.
And they turn you on to
something completely new.
You go out and buy the cd.
That's how people
experience music
And that's a big part
of the experience.
But this was the first time
i know of,
In mainstream history,
Where people had a social life
online.
And then after napster went down
a few years later,
Started hearing
about friendster.
Myspace and then of course,
facebook and all that.
But, but um, everyone
just thinks of it
As being the file sharing
technology,
But i really think
that it was the seed
Of that stuff too.
We were basically, you know,
Trying to create a platform
to be shared
More widely uh,
On a larger scale
than ever before.
That would um...
that would galvanize
enormous excitement.
Would, it would re-Energize,
Re-Energize the conversation
about music
And, and ultimately
that would lead
To a golden age of music.
We knew it was a long way off
From all the music
being available digitally.
I mean you opened up napster
and there it was.
Its difficult to
describe to people
Who weren't experiencing
at that time,
How much material
was suddenly available.
I mean there has
never been a time
Before or since that you could,
you could get
As many different things online.
And experiences,
many different kinds of music.
And of course,
What was interesting was not t
hat they could get
The latest madonna album
for free.
It's that they could get
all different versions
Of recordings of
particular music
From all the way back
to the beginning of recording
Available in
this library-Like forum.
The vast majority of which,
Was not accessible
commercially at all.
And you know,
i just felt like this was,
This was one of the
great moments
In human history.
And i still do.
But of course, uh, great moments
in human history
Usually have uh...
...an opposition
And it is exactly
uh, proportional
To their greatness.
So it was in la,
it was the four seasons hotel.
It was all of t
he top label heads.
And a lot of them knew
that we'd filed a lawsuit
Against this kind of
rogue website,
But not too many of them
were paying attention
To what it was.
So i set up a computer
and i said,
'Okay, you know,
tommy what's your, you know,
Give me your latest single,
or michelle,
What's your latest single,
you know.
Richard, give me
your latest single.
Literally, it, we played
like stump the napster.
And it was,
[stammers]
It was quite a sight.
All the heads
Freaking out
That a lot of pre-Releases even,
Were, were on there.
Um, i would say,
That was a pretty big
aha moment.
We saw the clicks of the numbers
And that's what they
were downloading
At that particular time.
That was shocking.
Not that it wasn't
happening before,
And not that we were naive.
But we actually saw it.
And that was startling.
For all of us that were
at that meeting that day.
If some day soon
you can store
On your hard drive,
instead of your shelves,
What's going to happen
to record stores?
I thought that the way
that people got music
For the last 50 years worked.
You went to the record shop,
you bought a record,
You took it home
and you played it.
You loved it.
You went and seen the guys live,
Everybody lived
happily ever after.
There are no record stores
anymore.
Or hardly any, you know.
Amoeba on the west coast.
And there's a few,
a few in england.
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