Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed Page #3

The people in the--

from the discovery institute--

The people who are doing

the intelligent design--

They're all varnish

and no product.

The discovery institute

is a propaganda mill.

It's a--

it's an institution

Designed to suck in money

from religious investors

And turn it into a sanitized,

somewhat secular version

Of the creation story

to get it into the schools.

If they have a way

of understanding nature

That's superior

to the one that we all

Are making lots of

discoveries using, great.

- bring it on.

- [rings]

[norman greenbaum's

"spirit in the sky" plays]

We are really,

really lost.

I think it's on third.

I think it's on third.

I think it's down there.

I have no idea

where this place is.

I guess I just

keep walking.

Do you have any idea where

the discovery institute is?

Have you ever heard

of that?

- never heard of it.

- stein:
okay, thank you.

- man:
hey, ben.

- how are you, sir?

- man:
i'm good. Yourself?

- good.

Do you have any idea where

the discovery institute is?

- not a clue.

- discovery institute?

- thank you, it's very kind

of you to offer--

- welcome to seattle.

Thank you, sir.

It's gotta be

this whole building.

Yes, where is

the discovery institute,

please?

Discovery institute--

on the eighth floor,

suite 808.

when I die

and they lay me to rest

gonna go to the place

that's the best

Okay, very good.

when I lay me

down to die

goin' up

to the spirit in the sky

Aha, success at last.

goin' up

to the spirit in the sky

Aha, we found you.

Are you bruce chapman?

- I am.

- how are you?

I'm ben stein.

- welcome.

- kind of you to have me here.

Delighted to meet you.

Can I look around

and see your offices?

Absolutely.

Do you just have

this floor,

Or do you have several

other floors as well?

- chapman:

no, this is it.

- this is it?

You've made

an awful lot of trouble

For being such

a small office.

I thought it was going

to be like the pentagon.

We're like

the little boy that said

the emperor has no clothes.

And he didn't have

a big organization either.

When you go around

and raise funds,

Your people are

not saying to them,

"by the way,

we're going to get

"all these scientists

out of the classroom

And put christ back

in the classroom?"

Well, I don't know

that christ

Has ever been

in the science classroom.

This is not

a religious argument.

This is something

that people--

We have fellows

who are jewish

or agnostic

Or various other things.

There are--there are

moslem scientists.

There are people

of all kinds of backgrounds

Who agree

that darwin's theory

has failed.

So why would you bring

religion into it?

You don't need religion.

This is a red herring, ben.

People who don't have

an argument

Are reduced to throwing

sand in your eyes.

If the discovery institute

Could get its wish

about this subject,

What would your wish be?

Well, on this subject,

as on others,

We'd like people

to be able to have

A robust dialogue

and even a debate

Where the best evidence--

In this case

the best scientific evidence--

Is made available to people.

Surely no one questions

there should be a debate.

Oh, yes, they do.

- they do?

- they say the debate

has been settled,

- that the issue's settled.

- when was the debate settled?

Ben, i'd like you to talk

to the scientists.

You don't want to get

your science from me.

Mr. Chapman claimed id had

nothing to do with religion,

So why was my first stop

biola university,

Formerly known

as the bible institute

of los angeles?

[johnny cash's

"personal jesus" plays]

your own personal jesus

someone to hear

your prayers

someone who cares

Nelson:
string theory

will be a footnote

in the history of science.

The inference that

stonehenge was caused

by intelligence...

your own

personal jesus

someone to hear

your prayers

someone who's there

Stein:
how much money

have you ever gotten

from jerry falwell?

Uh, zero dollars.

How about

pat robertson?

Zero.

Are you a minister?

No.

- are you a priest?

- no.

- pastor?

- no.

- youth pastor?

- no.

I did teach

Sunday school once.

Hasn't this all

been resolved?

Aren't we all

darwinists now,

Except for a few

cranks like you?

Well, it's a funny thing

that questions

That aren't properly answered

don't go away.

This question

is loaded with all kinds

of political baggage,

But one-on-one

at a scientific meeting

After the third

or fourth beer,

My experience has been

That many

evolutionary biologists

Will say, "yeah,

this theory's got

a lot of problems."

So you mean to tell me

That there really is

a debate among scientists

About whether or not

evolution occurred?

Well, "evolution"

is a kind of funny word.

It depends

on how one defines it.

If it means simply

change over time,

Even the most rock-ribbed

fundamentalist

Knows that the history

of the earth has changed--

That there's been

change over time.

If you define evolution

precisely, though,

To mean the common descent

of all life on earth

From a single ancestor

Via undirected mutation

and natural selection--

That's textbook definition

of neo-darwinism--

Biologists of the first rank

have real questions.

But the modern theory

of intelligent design

Is just microwaved

creationism.

I don't think

that's the case.

Creationism,

properly understood,

Begins with the bible

and says,

"how can I fit the bible

into the data of science?"

Intelligent design

doesn't do that.

Intelligent design

is the study

of patterns in nature

That are best explained

as a result of intelligence.

So intelligent designers

believe that god

is the designer.

Not necessarily.

Intelligent design

is a minimal commitment,

Scientifically,

to the possibility

Of detecting

intelligent causation.

Dr. Nelson didn't

sound like a crazy person,

But I still suspected

id was nothing but

reheated creationism.

My next stop

didn't seem like

It was going

to alleviate those fears.

Male country singer:

didn't crawl

out of the ocean

I didn't come

from no monkey

but science tends

to forget

evolution's just a theory

they present it

in the textbooks

and on animal tv

like it's fact

but tell me

were you there

12 million b.C.?

Evolution is a--

from an intelligent design

perspective,

Is perfectly acceptable

if the sense is that

"how did the design

get implemented?"

The issue is, is there

a real design there

And are these

material mechanisms,

Like natural selection,

Are these adequate

to account for everything

We see in biology?

And our argument

is no, it's not.

But darwin produced

all this evidence

From his travels

and his studies

at the galapagos

That evolution

explained things.

If you look

at the history of science,

People often have

a good idea,

And then they decide

just to run with it.

And they say, "we're going

to apply this everywhere."

So darwin takes his idea

of natural selection

And says,

"i'm going to explain

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