Good Night, and Good Luck. Page #7

- It's getting fun now!

- Ed, you have a minute?

- Yes, I'll be right there.

- All right, boys. Playtime's over.

We have 4 days...

...to do a 28 minute show.

- Yeah. - All right.

All right, go ahead.

Hi, Mary.

Hello, Mr. Hollenbeck.

Mr. Murrow...

- Could you give us a moment?

- Sure.

Thank you, dear.

I have to ask you something, Ed.

It's about O'Brian.

- O'Brian doesn't matter.

- He's killing me, Ed.

He doesn't amount to that much

in the newsroom.

We've got to let that guy have it.

We're not going after O'Brian. I will

not take on McCarthy and Hearst.

I can't defeat them both.

Just don't read the papers.

Or don't read O'Brian, anyway.

Okay. I guess not.

Sorry, Don.

Although Mrs. Moss

offered to testify...

...Senator McCarthy suggested

that she was too sick.

- She agreed... - Mr. Cohn wanted

to know about Mrs. Moss's connection...

...to tell the truth, the whole truth,

and nothing but the truth...

...so help you God?

May we get your full name

for the record, please?

Annie Lee Moss.

- M-O-S-S?

- That's right.

Mrs. Moss, let me say for the record,

for your information...

...for the information

of your counsel...

...that you are not here because...

...you are considered important

in the Communist apparatus.

We have the testimony that you are,

and have been, a Communist.

We are rather curious, however,

to know how you suddenly...

...were shifted from...

...a worker in a cafeteria

to the code room.

I am today much more interested...

...in the handling of your case...

...by your superiors

than in your own personal activities.

However, counsel will question you

about your own activities also.

- Mr. Chairman!

- We will not hear from counsel.

You have been told what the rule is.

If you have anything to say,

say it through your client.

Chairman. Did you begin work

at the General Accounting Office in...

...1945?

- Yes, sir.

And, prior to that time,

had you been a cafeteria worker?

Yes, I had.

I see. While in the Pentagon,

since 1950...

...have you had any connections

with coded messages?

Have you ever handled

coded messages?

- No more than to transmit 'em.

- Pardon me?

No more than to transmit

the message.

Than to transmit them?

Did you transmit codes?

To receive or transmit messages

was all I had to do.

And I've never been

into a courtroom in my life.

Do you know the...

...type of classification...

- Do you know if they were secret,

top secret, confidential? - No, sir.

- You wouldn't know the degree

of classification? - No, sir.

I see.

I'm afraid I'm going

to have to excuse myself, I've got...

...a rather important appointment

to work on right now...

...and I wonder if, Senator Mundt,

you would take over as Chairman?

- Chairman. Uh...

- Cohn.

I have no further questions

of this witness at this time.

We have the testimony of Mrs. Markward,

the undercover agent for the FBI...

...stating that Annie Lee Moss

was a member, a dues-paying member...

...of the Communist Party...

...the Northeast Club

of the Communist Party.

We have corroboration

of that testimony by another...

...witness who was called

before the Committee...

...and gave a sworn statement

to the effect...

...that she also knew Mrs. Moss

as a member...

...of the Northeast Club

of the Communist Party.

She's already lost her job. She's been

suspended because of this action.

I'm not defending her. If she's

a Communist, I want her exposed.

But to make these statements

as we've got corroborating evidence...

...that she is a Communist,

under these circumstances...

...I think she's entitled to have it

produced here in her presence...

...and let the public know about it

and let her know about it.

I don't like to try people

by hearsay evidence.

I'd like to get the witnesses here

and try them...

...by testimony, under oath.

The Chair will rule

that the comment of Mr. Cohn...

...be stricken from the record.

I didn't ask that, Mr. Chairman!

...whether we should try to produce

a witness in public...

...because the FBI may have

her undercover and we don't want to...

You can't strike these statements

made by counsel here as to evidence...

...that we're having and withholding.

You cannot strike that from the press...

...nor from the public mind

once it's planted there. That's the...

...evil of it!

- Well, I'd look at it...

- I don't think it's fair to a witness...

...to a citizen of this country...

...to bring them up here

and cross-examine them...

...then when they get through, say...

..."The FBI has got something on you

that condemns you."

- The Chair agrees...

- It is not sworn testimony...

...it's convicting people

by rumor and hearsay and innuendo.

You will notice that neither Senator

McClellan or Senator Symington...

...nor this reporter know or claim

that Mrs. Moss was or is a Communist.

They simply claimed that she had the

right to meet her accusers face to face.

They simply claimed that she had the

right to meet her accusers face to face.

One month ago tonight we presented

a report on Senator Joseph R. McCarthy.

We labeled it as controversial.

Most of that report consisted

of words and pictures of the Senator.

At that time, we said...

..."If the Senator believes we have done

violence to his words or pictures..."

"...if he desires to speak,

to answer himself..."

"...an opportunity would be

afforded him on this program."

The Senator sought the opportunity

after 3 weeks...

...because he was very busy and wished

adequate time to prepare his reply.

We agreed.

We placed no restrictions on the manner

of the presentation of his reply...

...and we suggested that we would not

take time to comment...

...on this particular program.

Here now is Senator Joseph R. McCarthy,

junior Senator from Wisconsin.

Good evening. Mr. Edward R. Murrow,

Educational Director of the CBS...

...devoted his program

to an attack...

...on the work of the US Senate

Investigating Committee...

...and on me personally

as its Chairman.

Now, over the past 4 years,

he has made repeated attacks upon me...

...and those fighting Communists.

Of course, neither Joe McCarthy

nor Edward R. Murrow...

...is of any great importance

as individuals.

We are only important...

...in our relation to the great struggle

to preserve our American liberties.

Now ordinarily, I wouldn't take time

out from the important work at hand...

...to answer Murrow.

However, in this case...

...I feel justified in doing so

because Murrow is the symbol...

...the leader...

...and the cleverest of the jackal pack

which is always found at the throat...

...of anyone who dares to expose

individual Communists and traitors.

And I am compelled by the fact...

...to say to you

that Mr. Edward R. Murrow...

...as far back as 20 years ago...

...was engaged in propaganda

for Communist causes.

For example, the Institute

of International Education...

...of which he was

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