Indictment: The McMartin Trial Page #8

of the evidence, Christine. Obviously, this is a man for whom normal sex

is not possible. He had to gratify himself

some way. Don't you think

this begins to add up? Maybe, but that doesn't

explain his mother,

his sister, his grandmother. The old woman

in the dark glasses?

Look, Glenn. You don't think that women

are capable of the same desires and the same aberrations as men? Philobosian. 208 counts. Do you think he over-fired? (laughter) Could be the election

had something to do with it. You think?

All right, all right. Look, just because

we're having some trouble

with some evidence, that doesn't make

these people suddenly innocent. Children don't lie

about this kind of thing. There is a smoking gun

out there! I know it! We've just gotta find it! Somebody is gonna get drunk

and confide in someone. Somebody is gonna attempt

suicide and leave a note. Somebody is gonna find

those pornographic pictures. That's all we need!

One picture! One! I'd like to say something. What is this about,

Mrs. McMartin?

Please be seated. You told my lawyer

that the county will no longer

agree to pay him his fee. I have no more money.

They took my school. I have nothing left. Mr. Brunen knew

what he was getting into when he took this case,

and he's been paid

a large sum of money. He will continue on

to the end of the hearing. I've never accepted

charity before,

and I don't intend to now. Then I'll get you

another attorney. I won't talk to him.

Mrs. McMartin, do you have

any knowledge of the law? I have something more important.

I know the children. I've had them all

sit on my lap. I think all of you

better take a course

in children. It's my decision Mr. Brunen

will continue on

as your counsel as to not interfere

with this hearing.

I will not, and I'll get up and walk out of this courtroom

if you insist!

Mrs. McMartin, you will remain in the courtroom!

Mom! You will have

to stay, ma'am.

Are you going to use force? Why don't you have a seat.

I will not have a seat. If you wish to use force,

do it. You're a little bigger

than I am. You are ordered to sit down or you will be cited

for contempt!

Danny:
Please, Your Honor. Put me in jail!

Your Honor... I've been in your jail,

I know what terrible places

they are. Mom, you want to go to jail? You wouldn't be able

to stand it, you know it. Mrs.-- Mrs. McMartin!

You do not want to go

to jail! Please, Your Honor. I know how you feel,

but this is not the way. Don't make things worse

for your family, please. Gram? Just go ahead

and sit down. (phone rings) Yeah?

Judy:

Malcolm's butt is red again. Whoa. Who is this? Judy? What... what happened?

What? What? Is Malcolm okay? Judy:

He's all right for now. But the dog's behind

is red, too. And it's missing hair

there, too. Judy, are you trying to tell me that someone molested your dog? Judy:

Yes. I think it was the Marine.

He's been following me. He's going to kill us,

I know it!

Judy! What the hell

are you talking about? Did you ever read the note she

wrote describing what happened? "Malcolm was hurt by a lion. There was a baby,

the head was chopped open

and the brains were burned. Malcolm had to drink

the baby's blood." Did the defense

get this note? I assume Rubin

sent it over. Then we're off the hook,

'cause I sure as hell don't have time

to butt heads with her. Danny:

At the cemetery,

you were forced to dig up the bodies

of dead people? Yes. Danny:

And did the teachers

give the kids shovels to dig up the bodies?

Yes. Danny:

Permission to approach,

Your Honor. Now... these are pictures of some men

with numbers under them, right? Yes.

Look at these very carefully,

Aaron, and if you see any

of the men who went

with you to the cemetery, draw a circle

around their pictures

with the red pencil. Okay? Your Honor, I would like

to indicate, for the record,

that Aaron has identified city attorney James Hahn

and actor Chuck Norris. (murmuring)

Thank you. (theme music plays) Announcer:

This is ABC News Nightline. Reporting from Washington,

Ted Koppel. Joining us now,

live in our Los Angeles bureau,

is Daniel Davis, who is defense attorney

for Raymond Buckey, one of the defendants

in the McMartin case. Mr. Davis, I understand

that your first responsibility

is to your client and to come up

with the best defense

you possibly can for him. But it doesn't sound as though

you're taking any prisoners among your six

and seven-year-old witnesses. My client is in jail

at this moment without bail because of the statements

of these children. That's good. Koppel:

Is it necessary to be

quite that tough with them? Mr. Buckey is being held,

an innocent man without bail... Doesn't this frighten you?

What? You're getting to be

as much despised

as the McMartins. Maybe even more.

Thanks for sharing. Yeah, it frightens me.

This case is a nightmare. They got the train

on the tracks, it's rolling,

it's winning them votes and sound bites, but nobody's

willing to put on their brakes.

Of course it frightens me. Big train, fast track?

I mean, what, you make it

sound like it's so exciting! But it's not!

It's taking you nowhere! Why are you doing this?

Look, just get out

of this case. It's gonna cost you

your career.

Are you kidding? This case is why guys

go to law school. This case is about justice. Oh, come on.

(turns volume down) Give me a break.

Hey! I'm-- This case is just as scummy

as all the others,

even scummier! And, and you know what?

If you do win this case, you're just gonna encourage

child abusers to think

that they can get away with it. You know what?

You're just like

all the rest! You are so wrong,

it's pathetic! You know, you just say

the word "kids," and everybody

rushes to judgement. Hang 'em, fry 'em,

just string them up

by their fingernails. How come everybody in America

knows these people are guilty? What about the facts?

What about the f***ing facts?! If you're so sure you're right,

then why are you yelling? Because I didn't grow up

with the advantages

you grew up with. Okay? I grew up in a slum

where everybody called

a spade a goddamn shovel. I'm not a club type of lawyer.

I'm just a hack. Yeah, and maybe I'm part

of what's f***ing up the system, because the system is f***ed up and everybody should

know about it. You know what's basically

at stake here? It's called the rule of law. And I happen to like it! Judy? Get off my land,

this is sacred property! Judy? It's me, Steve. What are you doin'

with that thing? Don't you touch my children! Don't you touch my babies! Or I'll kill you,

I'm Jesus Johnson. Doctor:

She pulled out a 12-gauge

shotgun on her brother because she thought he

was coming to kill her babies. All she talks about

is how the neighbors are trying

to sexually molest her kids. What is it?

Acute paranoid

schizophrenia. And the drinking

doesn't help. What do you mean,

the drinking? She's been an alcoholic

for years.

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