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Informant Page #7
Feeling used.
When we found out like how the
group felt about the situation.
What you're doing is ridiculous,
stupid and dangerous,
the romantic revolutionary kind
Reality kind of came
crashing in.
We need to rethink this.
Maybe this is a bad idea.
(chickens clucking)
Brandon:
Being undercover is tricky.
I really wanted just to grab him
and be like, hey,
"What you're doing
is so stupid.
You're going down
the wrong path.
This is ridiculous."
But my role was
to provide information
and try to not influence.
Not to be more radical,
but not to be less radical.
To fit in.
But it tore me up,
it bothered me.
Sometimes like I felt like
I was using Brad and David.
That's something I had
to live with afterwards.
But it wasn't my place
to talk people out of things.
And I think
about that though,
like what if I had
just been like, you know what?
I couldn't of though,
I would've probably went to jail for that.
Maybe not went to jail,
it wouldn't have been good.
Michael:
There's a side of Brandonthat's a huge anti-authoritarian.
So why did he do what his
FBI handlers told him to?
For him it was just,
his loyalty was with the FBI.
Those guys had stood with him
through the devastating
Riad Hammad suicide.
anti-authoritarianism at that point.
Brandon:
I was asked by the FBI to get re-involved.
"We'd like you to find out from
David whether or not this is true,
and what he made,
where they are."
My handler warned me, he said,
"Brandon this is where it gets tricky.
If you don't want to do this,
we won't blame you.
But there's a high likelihood
your name is gonna come out,
if you go past
this point with us."
I ultimately decided
to get involved.
sat on the roof, behind us.
I said, "Hey I heard that you
had made some things."
And then I said, "Well, I don't have a
problem with it, that's why I'm here."
And he said, "Okay, well yeah."
So then he told me what he had done.
And he said that he had made
eight Molotov cocktails.
And I asked him if they were
somewhere safe,
and he told me that they
were in the basement.
I tried to get a gist
of what his plans were,
and that's when he pointed off
in a direction and told me
there was a parking lot
full of police cars.
So the parking lot behind
us, which was the target,
they had 35 people there,
loading and unloading cars,
getting in and out of cars.
And it was right at the end of summer
so the foliage was still thick.
What was on the other side
of the tree line, down the hill.
These were these big bottles
of this homemade napalm mixture.
I knew that if he did it,
it was gonna hurt people.
I knew it would.
David:
Never did I plan to doanything to hurt anybody.
I wouldn't throw a Molotov cocktail
on a car with a cop in it.
We were gonna do
property damage.
People getting hurt
by the Molotov cocktails
was not a consequence
that I even considered.
And I didn't know
that just having them
was the crime that it was.
Woman:
Hello, this isa collect call from...
Woman:
...an inmatethe romantic aspect
of you being a revolutionary
instead of an activist.
That we weren't just
going here to protest,
we were coming here to fight
for our beliefs.
To actually fight.
With him,
we felt like we were legitimate.
Brandon felt like he could take
these young guys,
who reminded him
of himself,
under his wing
and at the same time,
inform on them
for the FBI.
Brandon:
I would like to be able to tell them
and that they should try to get
out of it before it's too late.
"Late" being defined
as being in prison,
being dead,
having to live underground,
or having to then realize
that a mistake was made.
Or having to live with one
of their incendiary devices
having f***ed up
and killed someone.
It was very difficult, you know,
and I was very honest about it.
It was almost like journaling
to the Bureau.
I didn't just write the facts,
I would say here are the facts
and here are my thoughts.
Here are how I feel about
these thoughts.
"I feel as though they are some
strange form of collateral damage.
Not exactly, considering what
they're trying to get involved in.
But in some ways
they are just that,
considering that I'm not attempting
to talk sense into them."
I didn't go into
as a seasoned pro.
I went into it as a person
with a lot of mixed feelings.
You know?
I don't think he thought
through this very well.
I don't think he really realized
the situation he was in
until it was way too late.
He had to choose
whether to go ahead
and put David in prison
for a long time,
or piss off his FBI handlers.
He had to make that choice.
I think it was a painful choice.
Brandon:
So the last night,before the raid happened,
to wear a wire.
That was very intense.
I realized that David's window
of opportunity to back down,
was starting to shut.
So this is approximately
where David and I sat down
for our last discussion.
We had come
to a cafe here,
the night that he was
gonna throw the firebombs.
I was wearing a wire
for the FBI.
Brandon:
Are you sure they're gonna burn?
David:
Yes, okay? They'll burn.
It might take a while
to get them lit,
but they'll go off
when they break.
What if someone's sleeping in the
car when you firebomb it, man?
- He'll wake up.
- What if he doesn't wake up?
What if he can't
get out?
I was torn.
I was wanting to insinuate to him,
like, dude, you're gonna
get f***ing busted.
You're gonna go to prison
for a long time. Stop.
But I couldn't come out
and say that.
David, what if someone's
in the car, and they die?
That's life, right?
That's how it goes.
"If he gets burnt or he dies
in the process, tough."
Okay.
When he said that,
I realized that that gate just went bam.
And it shut,
completely shut.
We were at
the Hard Times Cafe.
We've made no plans to do anything.
I've agreed to nothing.
Director:
So the first line's gonna be Brandon's.
It's "What if there's
a cop sleeping in the car?"
Dude, what if someone's
in the car and they die?
David:
What if there's a cop in the car?- Actor David:
I don't care.David:
What if he's sleeping?I think he's joking.
When those quotes
were taken away from me,
I was laughing
at that situation.
I wouldn't throw a Molotov cocktail
on a car with a cop in it.
a cop's burning or dying?
A cop gets burned or maimed,
it's worth it, okay?
David:
I've never used the word"maimed" ever in my entire life.
David:
That's what he acted like.That's what he acted like.
saying that.
if a cop gets burned or maimed?
If you're fighting
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