Islam: The Untold Story Page #4
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- 2012
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This is an example of the time
before the direction had
actually been preferred
towards Mecca.
So the implication of that is that,
the focus of prayer has not yet
been absolutely fixed?
The direction of prayer had not been
well-established yet.
So it's bit like
the concrete hasn't yet set.
Yeah.
You can still play with it,
you can still fiddle around with it,
you can experiment with it.
Very much so.
Yeah. Wow.
'Not a decisive clue perhaps.
'But it is suggestive that,
no Muslim sources,
'there are reports
from Christian writers of the time
'that the Arab conquerors bowed
their heads in prayer
'not in the direction of Mecca,
'but in a quite different direction,
'somewhere further north.
'In the Qur'an...
'Nor that Mecca was where
the first revelations took place.'
Does the material in the Qur'an
point to Mecca being the setting
for God's revelations
to Mohammed ?
No, it doesn't.
'I mean,
there is mention of a sanctuary,
'there is a sanctuary, for sure.'
Where is that sanctuary,
that's, of course, we can't tell.
It's devilishly difficult to,
sort of, extract what the context
might have been from the text itself.
'In Muslim tradition,
the people of Mecca are pagans,
'worshippers of idols.
'But, in fact...
'the people the Qur'an describes
'have a deep
and sophisticated knowledge
'of the biblical tradition.'
The Qur'an retells biblical stories
and alludes to biblical stories,
not just biblical,
but also post-biblical developments.
'All this is clearly known
to the audience.'
It suggests that what we have is
a kind of response, on a part of,
let us say, Mohammed to the debates
that were going on
in Christian
and Jewish communities.
Where they were debating
theological issues and questions
that come out of the Hebrew Bible
and come out of the New Testament.
And the Qur'an seems to be
an effort to engage in the discussion
and so there's a strong connection
with Late Antique
religious discourses
that were alive
throughout the Near East.
'So it's obviously not a pagan world
we're looking for.
'The people in the Qur'an worship
a single god.
'But it then accuses them
of praying to beings other than God.
'And there's something else.
'The people the Prophet addresses
in the Qur'an are farmers,
'agriculturalists, but there was
no agriculture in Mecca.'
'Mecca does not have
an agrarian base.'
In Mecca, it seems to have been
quite an arid valley.
If Mecca is this barren,
infertile place,
how is it that, in the Qur'an,
the opponents of the Prophet
are described as keeping cattle
'Hm, good question.
'This is one of the reasons
why some scholars feel
'that the text of the Qur'an is
really plugged in to, say, Syria.'
'Because that's where vines
and olives grow.'
'Yeah.'
'Much further north.'
Geographical, Syria. You don't find
olive trees in Mecca.
'So if Mecca wasn't
'what was?
'If you're following the clues
in the Qur'an itself...
'then you're looking for a landscape
inhabited by olive-growing Arabs,
'who have a deep knowledge
of the biblical tradition,
'but whose worship of a single god
'might seem, to some,
a little shop-soiled.
'This is the city of Avdat,
'in the Negev Desert.
'Back in the early 7th century,
'it was an Arab city on the very
fringes of the Roman Empire.
'Nominally Christian, but with
hints of a recently pagan past.'
There can be no doubt that this is
There are two crosses
on the ceiling.
But there's also something
very interesting in the corner,
which is a bull complete with horns.
And the bull is an image that,
very probably,
is drawn from much older,
native Arab pagan traditions.
That doesn't mean
that the Christians who built this
were, themselves, pagan,
but it does mean, I think,
that they are giving
their monotheism,
And that, essentially, is the crime
that Mohammed, in the Qur'an,
seems to be accusing
his opponents of.
'But Avdat had more than
the right religious complexion.
'It also had agriculture
and olives.'
In the lifetime of Mohammed,
all this would have been green.
It would have been agricultural
fields as far as the eye can see.
Archaeology leaves no doubt
that there was a sophisticated
irrigation system here
that really did make
the desert bloom.
And so, while that doesn't mean
that this Avdat
is the actual spot
where the Qur'an was composed,
it does imply, I think,
that the region, as a whole,
seems to fit the wider context
of the Qur'an
better than somewhere
much further south,
in the arid region of Mecca.
'When you read through
and through the Qur'an,
'what's really striking,
as compared, say, to the Bible,
'which is full of allusions
to recognisable landscapes
'that we know.
'In the Qur'an, it's an effort
to find an allusion to any landscape
'or natural setting
that we could actually pin down.
'In fact,
in the whole of the Qur'an,
'there's really only
the one exception.
'Not far from Avdat,
'a strange hint about
where the Qur'an might actually
'have come from.'
We are on the southernmost shores
of the Dead Sea.
Between, what is now,
Israel and Jordan.
Lot was the nephew of Abraham
and he went to settle down
in a city called Sodom.
And the people of Sodom
were notoriously racy.
Unsurprisingly,
this provoked the wrath of God.
He destroyed his city and this is
said to be the remains of Sodom,
where the anger of God
was poured down upon it.
And the Qur'an,
"So also was Lot
among those sent by us.
"Behold, we delivered him
and his adherents,
"all except an old woman who was
among those who lagged behind.
"Then we destroyed the rest.
"Truly, you pass by their sites
by day and by night."
'But if the people being addressed
by the Prophet
'are passing this place
by day and by night,
'then what's it doing here?
'1,000 kilometres from Mecca.
'In terms of someone
who is looking for clues...
'..you are very much in the
situation of someone who is panning
for gold.
'And I think that this passage
is just one little fleck.
'I mean, there is one possibility,
of course,
'which is that this one fragment
originated in this neighbourhood.
'Perhaps the rest came
from elsewhere.
'But that then begs the question
'of where all the various component
parts of the Qur'an are coming from.
'Are they necessarily
to be attributed
'to one person living at one time?
'Again, when you start asking
that question,
'it's very hard
to know how far to push it.'
'It's from the West
that this kind of history came up.'
That its reason is our ultimate
decider and judge of the truth.
'But what I'm saying is that those
are not really going to give you
'the reason
that is logically satisfying.'
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