Outrage

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Dave Karsnia over tape:

All right.

The date is 6/11/07

at 12:
28 hours.

You have the right

to remain silent.

Anything you say can

and will be used against you

in a court of law.

Do you understand

each of these rights as I

explained them to you?

- Larry Craig:
I do.

- Karsnia:
Do you wish

to talk to us at this time?

Craig:
I do.

So let's start

from the beginning.

You went in the bathroom.

I went in the bathroom.

I got in a stall,

sat down.

Your foot came towards mine,

mine came towards yours.

Was that natural?

I don't know.

Did we bump?

Yes, I think we did.

The next thing I knew,

under the bathroom divider

comes a card

that says "Police."

- Karsnia:

What about your hand?

- Craig:
What about my hand?

I could see

the gold wedding ring.

I could see that.

Have you been successful

in these bathrooms here before?

No, absolutely not.

I don't seek

activity in bathrooms.

You're not

being truthful to me.

I'm kind of disappointed

in you, Senator.

I'm real disappointed

right now.

Sir, we deal with people

that lie to us every day.

- Craig:
Gentlemen, so do I.

- Karsnia:
I'm sure you do.

I've never had to bring

anybody to jail

because everybody's

been truthful to me.

I don't want you

to take me to jail.

I'm not gonna

take you to jail

as long as you're

being cooperative.

People vote for you.

I'm a respectable person

and I don't do these

kinds of--

Where's your respect

right now though?

I-I-- I am not gay.

I don't do these

kinds of things.

- Karsnia:
I saw--

- Craig:
I don't do

those things.

James McGreevey:

AT ITS FUNDAMENTAL CORE,

AT ITS BASE,

IT IS SO PROFOUNDLY

UNHEALTHY.

BECAUSE IT GOES BACK

TO THAT SIMPLE MANIFESTATION,

THAT SIMPLE:

SHAKESPEAREAN QUOTE:

"UNTO THINE OWN SELF

BE TRUE."

YOU HAVE TO BE:

TRUE TO YOURSELF.

AND THEN, GOD WILLING,

TRUE TO YOUR LOVED ONES,

TO YOUR COMMUNITY,

TO YOUR PUBLIC.

Reporter:

...turning out at Washington,

DC, where the report

of the arrest

of Senator Larry Craig

is generating

a massive media frenzy.

Reporter #2:

Breaking tonight, a Republican

senator busted by police.

Craig's arrest

was first reported

about 24 hours or so ago.

Reporter #3:

A day later "The Idaho

Statesman"

published the story

it had been holding.

Republican Senator

Larry Craig from Idaho

again will be having

a news conference

in 45 minutes.

Craig:

Thank you all very much

for coming out today.

First, please let me

apologize

to my family,

friends and staff

and fellow Idahoans

for the cloud placed

over Idaho.

Man:

Senator, what happened

in Minneapolis?

Man #2:

Hey, what if you are gay?

Man #3:

Come out

of the closet.

Man #4:

It's all right, man.

Come on, Larry. Be gay!

Kevin Naff:

I THINK IT'S VERY SAD.

THIS IS SOMEBODY WHO HAS

LIVED IN THE CLOSE HIS WHOLE LIFE,

HAS PROBABLY:

CHEATED ON HIS WIFE

ANY NUMBER OF TIMES.

IT'S A TWISTED KIND OF

PSYCHOLOGICAL THING

THAT HAPPENS.

WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CLOSE AND LIVING A DOUBLE LIFE,

IT MAKES YOU DO:

CRAZY THINGS.

AND FOR A UNITED STATES

SENATOR:

TO BE SOLICITING SEX

IN A PUBLIC RESTROOM

IS A CRAZY THING.

TO UNDERSTAND HIS STORY

AND ALL OF THESE STORIES,

YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND

WHERE THE CULTURE WAS.

IN 1955,

MY NEWSPAPER REPORTED

ON A GAY SEX SCANDAL

INVOLVING ALLEGEDLY

UNDERAGE MEN:

AND POWERFUL PEOPLE

IN BOISE.

AMONG THE HEADLINES

ON OUR EDITORIAL PAGE

WAS ONE THAT READ

"CRUSH THE MONSTER,"

THE MONSTER BEING

HOMOSEXUAL PERVERSITY.

THAT WAS 1955.

LARRY CRAIG WAS:

10 YEARS OLD.

AND I IMAGINE HIM

THINKING THA THAT WAS AN ABJECT LESSON

THAT HE NEEDED TO HEED,

THAT HE COULDN'T ASPIRE TO BE

A UNITED STATES SENATOR

AND BE GAY:

AT THE SAME TIME.

EVERY TIME HE WAS

UP FOR ELECTION,

THE QUESTION WAS RAISED--

WILL SOMEONE RAISE

THE ISSUE?

Good evening.

The Capitol Hill investigation

of sex and drugs

which had existed mainly

in the congressional

rumor mill

today took on

the attributes of a serious

and spreading scandal.

Woman:

The FBI formed

a special squad

to investigate allegations

of homosexual activity

between congressmen

and teenage pages.

One congressman came forward

after rumors surfaced

that he was involved

in the case.

I have always been

aggressive and upfront

with what I believe in.

And when I have

people telling me

that a whole series

of false accusations

are made against

my character,

frankly,

it makes me mad as hell.

MANY OF THE PEOPLE

WHO ARE GAY:

WHO ARE IN PUBLIC SERVICE

SEEM TO THINK:

THAT THEY'RE IMMUNE

FROM BEING EXPOSED.

AND THEY GO OUT.

THEY GO TO BARS.

THEY GO TO CLUBS.

THEY EVEN GO TO BATHHOUSES.

David Phillips:

WHEN I WAS REALLY YOUNG

IN D.C. BACK IN THE '80s,

ONE OF MY FAVORITE

PLACES TO GO BACK THEN

WAS "THE FOLLIES."

THERE WERE A NUMBER OF MEN

I SAW THERE FROM TIME TO TIME

AND HE WAS ONE OF THOSE.

HE HAD TAKEN:

NOTICE OF ME:

AND THEN HE SAID,

"LET'S GO SOMEWHERE ELSE"

AND I PROCEEDED:

TO FOLLOW HIM:

TO HIS HOUSE:

ON CAPITOL HILL.

THERE WERE PICTURES

OF FAMILY AROUND

AND A CARD THAT WAS

ADDRESSED TO SUZANNE CRAIG.

WE THEN WOUND UP

PERFORMING ORAL SEX

ON EACH OTHER:

AND THEN HE WANTED

TO F*** ME.

ONCE HE HAD COME,

IT WAS EVERYTHING

TO GET ME BACK OUT OF THERE.

HE GRABBED ME:

BY THE SHOULDER:

AND VERY BOLDLY SAID,

"REMEMBER,

YOU NEVER SAW ME.

YOU'VE NEVER BEEN HERE."

AND HE REACHED:

INTO HIS POCKET,

TOOK OUT A $20 BILL,

SHOVED IT IN MY BACK POCKE WITH ONE FINGER

AND SAID,

"JUST REMEMBER,

I CAN BUY AND SELL

YOUR ASS 1,000 TIMES."

Let me be clear:

I am not gay.

I never have been gay.

IT'S VERY OFTEN THOSE

SELF-HATING GAY PEOPLE WHO,

IN THE CLOSET,

ARE THE MOST VICIOUS

TOWARDS OTHER GAYS

AND LESBIANS:

AS A WAY TO KIND

OF DEFLECT ATTENTION

FROM THEIR OWN ORIENTATION.

THERE IS NOT ONE

CIVIL RIGHTS LAW

AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL

THAT EXISTS:

TO PROTECT GAY,

LESBIAN, BISEXUAL

OR TRANSGENDER PEOPLE.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY

NOT ONE LAW.

Catania:

THE FACT THAT SENATOR CRAIG

AND THOSE LIKE HIM

CAN ENGAGE IN HOMOSEXUAL

ACTIVITY ONE MINUTE

AND THEN TRY TO WRITE US

OUT OF EXISTENCE THE NEXT--

THERE IS NO PUNISHMENT HARSH

ENOUGH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED.

Reporter:

He was a powerful force

on senate committees,

a solid family-values

conservative.

The American people

already know

that Bill Clinton is

a bad boy,

a naughty boy.

I'm going to speak out

for the citizens

of my state who,

in the majority,

think that Bill Clinton

is probably even

a nasty bad naughty boy.

Reporter:

But in October 2006,

eight months before

the senator's arrest

in Minneapolis,

a gay activist named

Michael Rogers

who makes it

his business to out

conservative politicians

wrote in his blog that

he'd interviewed several men

who'd claimed to have had sex

with Senator Larry Craig.

Michael Rogers:

IN OCTOBER OF '06

I OUTED LARRY CRAIG.

I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO HAD SEX

WITH LARRY CRAIG IN A RESTROOM

AT UNION STATION.

THAT, TO ME, IS THE CRUX

OF THE CASE RIGHT THERE.

RIGHT NOW I HAVE

A NUMBER OF OPEN FILES

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