The Art of the Steal Page #10
and they had something to gain.
I think the real question,
as I've always said is,
"When did the planning
for this takeover first begin,
and who was the lead figure? "
That's the story
that no one's really told.
(music slows, reverses)
(Music continues)
- In 1995, after sending
the collection on tour,
the paintings came back
to Merion.
There was a gala dinner
to celebrate this
Ray Perelman,
had a little idea.
- A man by the name
of Ray Perelman,
who was then, I think,
chairman of the board
of the art museum,
came to see me
probably in the middle
and suggested
that I get active in trying
to convince the state
to move the Barnes for...
obviously,
to run it, the benefits
to the city of Philadelphia,
et cetera, et cetera,
et cetera.
So that was probably '95, '94,
'96, in that area.
- My only personal contact
with Ray Perelman
was to have him scream
at me over the phone
while at the same time
taking credit
for the decision
to move the Barnes
to downtown Philadelphia.
Ray Perelman is a nasty old man.
Spell my name right
and make sure he knows
that I'm the one who said that.
Barnes did something that
they will never be able to do.
Ray Perelman does not have
an eye for art.
He never will.
And I can understand
He can't do much about it
besides take it
out of the hands
of the Barnes Foundation.
Part of what Perelman
was convincing anyone
with any power in Philadelphia
to either side with him
or not to oppose him.
Is that a conspiracy?
I don't know.
One man's conspiracy is another
man's political consensus.
- Why wouldn't the great
foundations of Philadelphia
want to save
the Barnes Foundation
exactly where it is?
I mean, they are
Philadelphia institutions.
They should want to preserve
a Philadelphia institution
as a really original
institution.
Why wouldn't they want
to do that?
- One of the nation's Iargest
private foundations
is now a charity.
The Pew Charitable Trusts
control $4 billion in assets.
The change in status
will save Pew
millions of dollars in taxes
and it will have
fewer restrictions
on how it can spend
its money...
- One of the other things
we didn't know
was that Pew was in the process
of converting itself
for tax reasons
from a private charity
into a public charity.
- One thing that
is demonstrate that it has
very large sums of money.
- Pew also cited another
potential tourist draw:
a new building
for the Barnes Foundation
in downtown Philadelphia.
Pew's CEO, Rebecca Rimel,
says the new charity
could not only raise money
for the move,
but administer those funds
at no cost to the project.
- The Barnes was one example
of what we could do
as a public charity
that we can't do
as a private foundation.
- Coincidentally,
the lead foundation
"to assemble the funds
to facilitate the move
of the Barnes Foundation."
- Our application to become
a public charity
had absolutely nothing to do
with the Barnes.
- You know, in court,
Rebecca Rimel said,
"Oh, you know,
the Barnes Foundation,
that's nice,
but that's not why we did it."
Well, you go look at
their application to the lRS,
that's all they talk about
is the Barnes Foundation.
- In its filings with the lRS
and the Commonwealth
of Pennsylvania,
it specifically alludes
into Philadelphia.
- Look,
charity is big business.
If you're really in it
for altruism,
you're gonna be a pink lady
in a hospital.
You're going to be, you know,
going out feeding the poor
from your church's
outreach group.
These people are power brokers.
Don't for one minute think
that if Rebecca Rimel
finds that,
"Well, I now have $400 million
a year to give away
"and manipulate various things
in the state or in the city,
"with what clout I have,
boy, can you imagine
"how much clout I'll have
"with a billion a year
to give away
instead of only 400 million? "
- And, I might add,
it was in the filings
that for the first time
we discovered
that Pew had now estimated
that the value
of the Barnes art was not,
as Glanton had thought,
$41/2 billion,
or I had thought,
$61/2 billion.
But according to the Pew,
it was 25 to $30 billion
worth of art.
The three foundations
never said
that they would give
$150 million.
They said they would raise
$150 million.
Even if they gave $150 million,
it's the greatest bargain maybe
in the history of the art world,
to get $25 billion worth
of irreplaceable
post-lmpressionist masterpieces
for what, for them,
is a drop in the bucket.
- On a Friday
in October of 2006,
I got an email...
from someone within
the Friends of the Barnes
saying that squirreled away
in the 2001-2002 budget
of the state of Pennsylvania
was $107 million:
$7 million for upgrades
of the Merion property,
$100 million
for the move downtown.
(somber music)
- It's amazing to me
that in the case
I called the appropriation
"the immaculate appropriation,"
because it had no father
or mother.
Nobody knows who asked
to put the money in.
So maybe it was
divine inspiration.
We don't know.
- The budget bill is a very
thick piece of legislation,
and 99% of the other members
of the General Assembly,
I'm sure,
didn't know when they voted
that particular project
was in there.
- It was never publicized,
the judge didn't know,
but the people who were trying
to take over the foundation,
within that group of people...
It's-- it would be unbelievable
that nobody knew.
"We will raise $100 million
"to build a new building
in downtown Philadelphia
for the Barnes Foundation."
The state budget
allocated $100 million
to build a new building
for the Barnes Foundation
in downtown Philadelphia.
What a coincidence,
a shocking coincidence.
- All the big-money people
connected with this project,
you can't tell me
that nobody knew
$100 million
was in the budget.
Some senator didn't wake up
and decide,
"I'm just gonna do this."
Somebody with influence
got that put in there.
Whoever that person was--
or people or institution--
never let on in court
that that money was available.
Here you come to court,
and you say, "We're broke.
"There's no other way
we can raise the money.
We got to move
this collection."
$100 million,
it would have been
"We didn't have anything
to do with it," okay?
But all these people that would
be the beneficiaries--
I mean, you have to understand,
The Pew Trusts, at the same time
that this is going on,
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