The Captains Page #8

Liz looks after you a little

bit, does she not?

- That's right, absolutely,

- I don't have anybody

Iooking after me,

My wife looks after me,

You don't have anybody

Iooking after you,

Of course I don't, I never did,

And you were looking after your

kids by yourself,

- That's right,

- How do you...

It's impossible to do,

It is impossible,

but it's not...

Obviously not

impossible, I did it,

Well... no, no, it is impossible

to do, so how did you do it?

I didn't,

I'm afraid I didn't do parts of

either thing very well,

I didn't reach the excellence

I could have reached

had I had a little more

rest, a little more help,

and I'll have to live

with that myself,

but I did the very best...

The excellence with the children

or with the role?

- Absolutely, my motherhood,

- And what about the role?

What about Janeway?

Well, you know, my pride,

my ego is very substantial,

so I never gave her less than

I would say 950/o,

but there were days when

there was absolute exhaustion,

There were days when my kids

were suffering,

and, you know,

you can't walk off a set,

You know that better

than anybody,

There's no way

they're gonna let you go,

so the preoccupation with your

children's pain is enormous,

and add to that eight pages

of ''techno-babble''

that you've got to execute

by 2:
00 in the morning

and you can't get to the phone

because they don't let you...

It's... it's...

it's very hard,

- Did you lose family time?

- Of course,

- Did it hurt?

- Of course,

But how much

harm was suffered...

Well, you know, you have to ask

them, because the attendant...

the attendant of

the movement of time,

you know, for us all,

You know, there it is,

There's the one...

the one hand or the other,

I mean, who knows,

therefore?

You know, in retrospect,

you know, I mean, you could

do it that way,

Say, oh, I should have

done this as opposed...

I mean, who knows?

I mean, so... so...

so I hold fast

to what I've chosen to do

and I'm not apologizing

for that,

but the attendant toll taken on

family and all of that, it's...

That's it,

What do you mean, that's it?

- That's profound,

- Hey, man, that's it,

- That was terrible,

- It's true, baby,

That was terrible,

Well, it's not terrible

or not terrible,

Well, you suffered,

you suffered,

It's true, it's true,

they suffered,

- You suffered,

- It's true,

- But you suffered as well,

- Now, watch...

Well, if they suffered,

didn't you suffer?

- Watch what I'm saying to you,

- I'm listening,

It's true, it's not

terrible or not, it's true,

You know, the toll...

the toll on people,

you can't get it back,

I mean, no matter what,

I mean, whether the

decision to make...

You know, to do

a thing or not to do a thing...

You know what

I'm talking about,

Yes, I do,

Did you discuss this with Vicki

like this or did you...

She knows, of course,

I'll move,

Whether we survive it

is still extent, isn't it?

Whether we survive all

of the sum...

The killing of

the effects of life,

Yeah, that living, baby,

Like you,

- What's different?

- The same,

This is 50-something years later

and I'm...

an old man, reminiscing

about a kid...

who was so afraid,

I was afraid of the future,

I was afraid of

my fellow actors,

I was afraid of not being

good enough,

I didn't realize it then,

but I'm starting to realize it

now, I...

God, I come from such

a sense of inferiority,

I'd been asked to come

to Stratford

because I'd been playing in

professional theater in Ottawa,

and so I came to this tent

that was erected

over a hole in the ground,

This was Stratford Theatre,

We were all there,

the acting company waiting for

Tyrone Guthrie,

Iegendary English

producer/director,

And I'd come to his

attention because

I had understudied

Chris Plummer in ''Henry V,''

Chris, about two weeks into

the run got sick for one day

and they asked

me if I could go on,

and I went on,

I got lucky, it went well,

and then I got good notices

and my name became known

a little bit at Stratford,

But this was a time of great

ferment for me,

I didn't know whether

I could make it as an actor,

I get to meet my old friend

Chris Plummer

on the stage at Stratford,

He might not have been

a captain ,

but he was a general,

Coming to Los Angeles

to do ''Star Trek,''

do you recall

telling anybody and...

and any reaction you had?

Yes, I wanted to

keep it quiet,

You told no one,

I said, listen...

Well, no, I said

I'm in LA for tests,

No, I'm joking,

No, I was very proud of it,

I told everybody,

I went on and on saying

that you realized you couldn't

go on with your career

without hiring me,

Chang,

Can you see me?

Oh now, be honest, Captain,

Warrior to warrior,

Chang was an integral part of

''Star Trek,''

a character that the fans,

as I understand it...

Yes, well, you know,

I was a serious Trekkie

when it first came out,

- No, I didn't know that,

- You didn't know that,

No,

But I was, in the early '60s

when it began,

- Yeah,

- Wasn't it the early '60s?

- Yeah, middle '60s, yeah,

- Middle,

And I'm... but I was living in

England all through the '60s,

but I watched

you on television,

Oh, for gosh sakes,

Over and over again, I became

a complete Trekkie,

so when you

asked me, 100 years later

to play in this very witty

''Star Trek VI ,''

I played this...

I think the only Klingon that

didn't have a hairpiece

and I had this

sort of blind eye

and this eye patch with

a nail through it,

I looked a bit

like Moshe Dayan in heat,

- In heat,

- Yes,

And I had the most

marvelous time

playing with you guys again

and everybody seemed to be

a Canadian on that show,

That was right,

We larded it with the finest

talent in the world,

who just happen to be Canadian,

Of course,

The line that

stayed with me was,

that you should read Shakespeare

in the original Klingon,

If you tickle us,

do we not laugh?

Prick us, do we not bleed?

Wrong us...

shall we not revenge?

I think it was something like,

you haven't heard Shakespeare

until you've heard it

in the original Klingon,

And sitting here in a seat of

Shakespeare's,

it's really funny,

It strikes a chord,

Was Chang a challenge?

- Yes, yes,

- How so?

Well, for the...

It was a challenge

to begin with

because I didn't

want to look like

every other Klingon that had

ever walked with...

The omelet,

With the massive head

and the massive brow,

- Right, right,

- I thought that... And we had...

We ran into big difficulty,

because, of course, isn't it...

Isn't there a language already

in Washington?

Yeah, a guy invented

the Klingon language,

Yes,

And it's been certified

and it's been recognized

as a language,

- Dead or alive,

- Oh, my gosh,

And so I got a lot of flak,

A lot of people were saying,

nO , nO , nO , nO , nO ,

You've got to have all this,

'cause it's traditional,

we can't walk away,

- finally, Nicholas...

- Nick Meyer, yeah,

Nick Meyer, who wrote that very

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