The Cheshire Murders Page #4

pretty much a blank check.

So, I'm reminding

everybody, listen,

Steven Hayes is ready to plead

guilty to all of these charges

and take a sentence of life without

the possibility of release.

It'll be over now.

You know?

There'd be...

The case would be done,

there wouldn't be any appeals,

we'd stop spending

all this money,

um, we would not have to traumatize

everybody with the facts of this case.

As a United Methodist minister,

I am a minister

of a church at large

that is opposed

to capital punishment.

That has put me between

a rock and a hard place.

We certainly don't, um,

approve of torture

of people, uh,

but we feel that there

has to be some justice

in how people are dealt with

when they are so inhumane

in their treatment of others.

You know,

it just makes me want to cry.

Jennifer, Hayley, and Michaela,

they were kind

and they were sweet.

They looked out for other people,

they cared about other people,

and, uh, spent their time

helping people,

so for them to suffer,

you know, horrific...

Horrific deaths

seems incredibly unjust.

I mean, it would seem

incredibly unjust for anybody,

but obviously they were

the three people

that I knew and loved

the best in the world,

and it just...

The contra...

The contra...

The opposition of the...

Just absolute evil

that attacked us

versus the goodness

that they represented is...

Is just worlds apart.

A benign visit to the grocery store

to get milk, bread, toilet paper.

Oh, and People magazine,

because a family

that my brother killed

is on the front cover.

And my brother's

picture is in it.

He raped a woman.

He choked her to death.

He poured gasoline

on two little girls

and he set them on fire.

How does a person do that?

They paroled him in November...

He peed funny,

and so they threw him back,

and they paroled him

five months later.

I... Personally, they're f***ing

stupid 'cause they don't get it.

You don't care enough about

the people in your society

to put these type of people

back out on the street.

And I want to say that...

It's really tough for me to say because

one of those people is my brother.

Steven at birth,

or soon thereafter.

Steven around three.

Steven around five.

Matthew around one,

Matthew around three.

Then we get into these.

Steven, Matthew, Brian.

Where I got the blond

hair, I have no idea.

Dad. That's where

you got it.

You, Kathryn, and...

And, uh, Steven

all had the light hair.

Who is Steve?

He's manipulating,

he's, uh, deceptive,

and he's my brother.

God, look at that.

And I remember that. See,

look at where his hands are.

I remember that day. He was

pinching me, he was grabbing me.

I mean, look, I'm about to

frickin' burst out in tears here.

He's just laughing

his little ass off.

Yeah.

F***in' noodge.

Deceiving.

Always. Manipulator.

"Mom, it's not me,

it's Matt." Yeah.

Mom and her three boys.

And that's probably

the first Christmas

since 1979

that all three of us were in

the same room for Christmas.

Only to go back to jail again.

Mmm-hmm.

You know, this is the evolution

of Steven in prison life.

Monday, when I

saw it on the news,

all's I heard was that there was

the home invasion and whatnot,

and it seemed like

something Steve would do.

But if he'd never... With the

smashing of the police cars

and the breaking and entering

and stuff like that.

But the killing, the

raping, and the burning.

That could've been Josh.

I don't know who was

the mastermind.

Well, obviously,

neither one of them,

because they got caught,

and they did something...

Well, being a mastermind

doesn't mean that

you don't get caught.

Honestly, you know, it is,

It is the

equivalent of the perfect storm.

If he wasn't smoking

drugs, then, you know,

I say flip the switch

and f*** the trial.

Flip the switch.

I hope it doesn't

even go that far.

As nasty as it sounds,

I hope somebody puts

a bullet in his head.

That's not gonna happen.

Outside the courtroom.

He's in solitary confinement.

Yeah, well...

They will...

They will keep him away

from every God-living soul.

When he's on his way into the

courtroom, he has to get out somewhere.

They're not gonna risk his life,

because the state

wants to kill him.

They're not gonna give that

privilege up to anybody else.

You know, I think that it

should be the death penalty.

Both my daughters, Clarice and

Caroline, had a relationship with Joshua.

And I believe that he

picked my daughters out

due to the fact that they

looked like they're very young.

When Josh wanted to marry Caroline,

we had a phone conversation.

I don't know if Josh was asking for my

blessing, but in that phone conversation,

I said, "Joshua, I have

two major concerns."

"One is, I think

you're a career criminal."

And then the second

thing I shared with him

is that's he was a pedophile.

And in both of those, he...

He never really

changed his voice.

Um, all I remember

him saying is,

"I'm sorry

you feel that way."

"Dear Caroline,

good evening, sweetheart.

"When I wake every morning, the

sun is just starting to rise.

"Its light dances

across your picture,

"radiating your beautiful

eyes and pretty smile.

"It's the best part of the day.

"A calming mix of hope,

beauty, and tranquility.

"Take care, Caroline. Smile.

Someone's thinking of you.

"Strength and honor,

sincerely, Joshua."

"P.S. Miss you."

We called Joshua

the hopeless romantic.

That was the biggest

side I loved about him,

because, how many guys are

out there that are romantic?

You know?

Not very many.

And he was super romantic,

and that's the way I am.

I'm super romantic.

When I went to Cheshire,

we would go around

the neighborhoods,

the rich neighborhoods,

and he'd look at

all these houses

and be like, "Man, you

know, I want to live in

"something that nice

and that gorgeous."

He wanted to have a family.

He was like, "I want a family.

"You know,

a good family."

"I don't want something

that's broken."

"If I were home,

I would have sent flowers

"and some sort of

creative surprise

"with this little note

of admiration.

"Actually, if I were home,

"I would have shown up

in person"

"and, well, who knows."

Me and Joshua did have a very

sexually active relationship

and he did like to tie me up

and, of course, you know,

I was the submissive one,

and sometimes I was

the dominant one.

But most of the time,

I was submissive.

Joshua always asked me, you

know, "Is this too tight?"

"Are you okay?"

Joshua always was concerned.

Joshua was definitely a soul mate

and that's what killed me the most.

I saw Steve and Josh together every day.

Every day.

They were always talking.

Um, because Steve was...

Steve was very,

very versed in recovery.

Um, Steve knew the NA

book back and front.

His nickname was "Mr. NA."

And I think Josh kind of

absorbed a lot of it

and was able to get

that knowledge from Steve.

"For this addict, drugs

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