The Jihadis Next Door Page #5

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Pakistan do for the Muslims?

Mohammed,

now the most senior member

of the group,

organizes a deliberately

provocative demo

outside Southall Mosque.

on Pakistan Independence Day.

Offended,

the locals vocally oppose

Mohammed's group.

Pakistan!

Even the Mosque elders come out

to denounce their actions.

Eighty percent of you guys

are taking benefits

from this country.

With the police

presence growing,

the group slip away

having filmed

the confrontation,

sharing it on social media.

The video later goes viral

in Pakistan.

No, it's not to make

a celebrity

out of the brothers.

It's as a form of

encouragement, "Now look,

the brothers in London

are doing it,

you need do it as well,"

you know what I mean?

The British government are

becoming increasingly concerned

about young Muslims

being radicalized online.

In 2015 alone, they stated

that they'd foiled

seven terror plots,

many of which were planned

using social media.

Britain's youngest

convicted terrorist

is beginning a life sentence

tonight after masterminding

a plot

to behead police officers

at Australia's

Anzac Day parade.

Sentencing the boy,

who was just 14

when he was arrested,

the judge said it was chilling

that someone so young

could've intended

to carry out a massacre.

Abu Haleema

has been linked

to this major terrorism plot

in Britain's highest court.

The evening news

are interviewing him

about his alleged involvement

in radicalizing

the 14-year-old boy,

who plotted

to murder police officers.

The prosecution are saying

today that you played a role

in radicalizing this boy.

Okay, I don't believe

that's true.

If that were the case,

then the police

would've charged me, basically.

From the evidence they had,

they had all the evidence,

all the WhatsApp conversations,

all the Twitter conversations,

and they didn't see anything

to charge me with, so...

And the thing

I was hoping he didn't ask,

and he didn't ask me, was...

That would've been a disaster.

How would you have

got round that?

I would've got round that

by saying I don't support

that group,

but I support the shariah

and the establishment

of the shariah.

How many messages

did the boy send you?

I speak to him regularly.

I speak to him

about once a day at least.

Did he ever mention violence?

"Is it okay to behead people?

I'm gonna do this,

I'm gonna do that"?

- He did ask that once, yeah.

- What did he say?

He said, "Is it okay

to behead someone?"

And I was like, "No."

I clearly said no.

And so obviously

he must've gone

and spoke to someone else

because it wasn't me,

I didn't tell him to do it,

you know what I mean?

He basically got arrested

and he made a quick

Twitter account and he's like,

"Everyone on Twitter

that knows me,

if you've got my number

or anything like that,

delete it

because I got raided

and arrested,

I've just been released, so...

And I won't be around anymore."

So, I straightaway, at the end

of the sentence, "Is everything

all right, bruv?

Do you need anything?"

And he's like, "Listen, bruv,

you're gonna get in trouble,

don't associate yourself with

me." I said, "Right, I'm in

enough troubles anyways."

It's easy to forget

that Abu Haleema hasn't always

been a hate preacher.

As his infamy grows, I'm keen

to know more about his journey

towards radical Islam.

The place where

I grew up originally

was Northwest London,

South Kilburn, and obviously,

growing up,

it was a bit racist as well.

- Really?

- Yeah, I saw a fair bit

of racism as well.

Like what kind of stuff?

Being called Pakis, you know,

seeing my parents get spat at,

all that kind of stuff.

You know what I mean?

How did that make you feel,

seeing your parents

getting spat at?

Well, it's not

a nice experience, innit?

And it builds up hatred

inside of you, innit?

Know what I mean?

Well,

how old were your parents

when they moved over here?

My dad was over here

very young, in the '50s.

My dad moved over in the '50s,

he was here from the '50s,

and then my mum came over

in the '70s.

- Did he like Britain?

- Yeah.

He liked it.

He liked it a lot.

Do you think

he would agree

with your outlook on Islam now?

Would he follow

a similar path to you?

Probably not, probably not.

But obviously, he passed away

a long time ago,

but probably not.

How old were you

when you kind of found Islam?

I started practicing properly

in my twenties.

but I never understood Islam

until a lot more recently,

when I started to understand

to hate.

Anything that's worshiped,

followed or obeyed other than

Allah, you have to reject it,

even if it's your own family,

you know?

And sometimes that can be hard

because you start

losing people.

You know, and people start

becoming distant from you

because obviously,

what we are calling for,

it opposes them.

It opposes their way of life,

but in order for you

to be a Muslim,

you have to do this.

If your dad didn't agree

with your views,

- do you think he's not allowed

into paradise then?

- Of course.

- So he's gone to the hell fire?

- Of course.

Obviously, I wish good

for my dad but, you know...

Basically, if you see a train

come past here

that means they're gonna

come out and walk this way.

It's a nice shot you got.

- Is it a nice shot?

Take a picture and let me see.

See, Jamie,

I oiled my beard today, innit?

That's why it's nice and shiny

and it's got

that little curl to it.

I've poured a lot of oil in it.

I usually use olive oil

but I got this olive oil cream,

it's like a cream,

like a moisturizing cream

for the hair, innit?

It's nice, man,

it's very nice.

It's got a nice smell to it

as well, smells like

vanilla ice-cream.

Learn about Islam, sir,

have a read.

- Learn about Islam, sir,

have a read.

- No, thanks, mate.

Learn about Islam.

Tonight Abu Haleema

is preaching his radical

message on Oxford Street.

It seems he's treated

as a celebrity,

even by those

who don't necessarily agree

with him.

Thanks, man.

How do you know Abu Haleema?

Oh, I've seen him on Facebook,

I've seen one of his videos.

What do you think

of his videos?

I don't remember

what he exactly said.

It was kind of funny though.

How often are you

getting recognized, Abu?

All the time, man,

all the time, everywhere I go.

Whilst shoppers pass

unaware of the radical group

yet again it is a Muslim

who speaks out to oppose them.

This is a front

to recruiting people for ISIS,

who are terrorists,

who are killing people

in their hundreds and thousands

in Syria and Iraq.

You've been following me around

for months. Have you seen me

recruiting for ISIS?

Brainwashed!

They're brainwashed!

The draw

of Abu Haleema's message has

attracted another young man,

Abu Mattasim from Birmingham,

who's recently been raided

by the police.

Well, they took

my passport off me

for traveling.

They believed I was going

somewhere else other than

where I was going.

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