The Karma Killings Page #3

a businessman named Pandher.

It is difficult to

exclude Pandher's involvement

in these crimes,

so obviously the police

have also arrested him.

I was a new journalist.

Everyone was thinking,

"How could someone do

something like this?"

Cannibalism, necrophilia...

We had never heard

of these things in India.

Any country's media

could sensationalize

a case like this.

First of all, so many kids.

Then, all the details

of the killings.

Police involvement.

Every day,

something new was revealed.

There were many things

to investigate in this case.

You can call this

sensationalizing,

or that people

were demanding to

know more and more.

Every channel was saying,

"We have something new for you."

But then what happened?

Even the cops were worried.

They never thought

this crime would be this huge.

-Maybe one or two girls,

or just Payal.

They never thought

there would be so many.

- They were pretty scared, too,

As the entire press corps

was over there,

and if the cops messed up,

it would be noticed.

In the minds of the

victims' families who had

lost their children,

they lost their

four-year-old, and how?

This wasn't just a normal

kidnapping or murder.

When someone learns

their child was raped

and had limbs severed,

anger is a natural reaction.

And they believed this

went on because of Pandher.

My kid has died!

I want revenge!

Burn the house down!

I want revenge!

He ate up my kid!

I want to beat him,

I want revenge!

We have more information.

The criminals are in jail.

They will be

brought to justice.

Whatever important

information we need, we

will gather from them.

We don't want anything

to go amiss in this

important investigation.

It will be done

with 100% perfection.

Sir, how many

murders has he confessed to?

How many bodies

have been found?

Out of the 17 skulls

that were found,

ten have been identified.

We have more news

coming in,

therefore identification

is increasing.

- [Karan Singh - speaking English]

- When the media

- Went ballistic

- over everything,

That day we knew things

are not going to be the same.

That is the way the media

would like to manipulate

things, you know.

They want to create story.

And that is, I think,

the best way for them

to create story.

Otherwise, without

Moninder Singh Pandher,

is there a story?

It's just

another crime then.

When you have a rich man

stuck in something,

then it's a story.

There was a crowd outside our house.

You should have seen

the rage in their eyes.

You should have seen the rage,

What a common man

held for us.

The very next day, I think,

I was told by my uncle

to, you know,

get ready to get yourself

a general

power of attorney ready.

Because as he is behind bars,

You will need to enact on things.

You will need to make

decisions on his behalf.

I cannot plan things ahead.

I cannot give

any commitments to

people around time.

I have to manipulate

everything around

my father's cases.

Because my priority

is my father's cases, now.

"Karan,

Dad has been arrested.

What happened?

Just find out.

Mom, I am going to Delhi."

I said, "You're not going to Delhi.

You just wait there,

I am coming right now."

When I came inside,

he was literally crying.

Saying, "Mama, I don't

understand what is this."

Through the news only

we came to know,

these killings

were happening in the house.

And we weren't aware of it.

We were really shocked.

- For five minutes

they made us meet my father.

But they said

not more than that.

Just to show you he is all right.

There is nothing wrong with him.

He is being well taken care of.

-That time I met him

for the first time.

- And i think we started crying

when we met him.

He just couldn't believe

what blunder had happened.

Even he did not expect

the thing to go so

much out of hand.

And he just kept on saying

"I have not done it.

I don't know what's happened.

Please forgive me.

Please forgive me.

I didn't want to put

you guys through this."

-That is all he kept saying.

He just couldn't believe

what had happened.

He may be in jail,

but we are equally in jail also.

We are also confined

by everything.

We cannot expand our work.

We cannot progress in life

unless this gets over.

Because this is something

that will take, consume

our entire time.

This is the road going...

This is the road.

This goes...

And this is our house.

There is the water tower.

Yeah, water tank.

The CBI

got involved in the case 15

days after it was opened.

By the time

we reached the house,

the crime scene

was quite disturbed.

The exterior

had been ransacked.

But the interior,

the main scene of the

crime, was fine.

After talking to them,

it was clear

that the incidents

had to do only with

these two guys.

There was no gang

or third party involved.

Therefore, the plan of

action was confined

to these two

and the crime scene.

There was no need

to collect any evidence

from anywhere else.

"To my dear

respected father,

from your daughter, Simran."

Make him

uncover his face.

"We have no tears.

We are helpless.

Drops of blood fall.

Have you thought about us?"

Make him

turn this way, that way.

That way.

- For me as a behavioral scientist,

- It was more to understand

the psychopathology,

The psychodynamics

of the mind.

Why does a mind thinks

and decides to do

what it has done?

He was definitely

not psychotic.

For that we did a whole lot

of psychological assessment.

He had either a problem

of erection or either a

problem of ejaculation.

So that made him

go more and more,

choose to fantasy life.

Even before he came

to Pandher's house,

he was working

with another person,

for almost a year and half.

- He said when he was

living in their houses,

There also

he had all those fantasies.

- But there

- the home atmosphere

Did not give him

those kind of opportunities,

wherein he could give way

to his fantasies.

- But when he came to Pandher's house,

He says he used to

tell Pandher very frequently

he never liked

call girls coming home.

- He used to tell him to not get them home.

He is not comfortable

with them.

But very soon he realized

that he would ignore that,

take it lightly, or say you don't worry.

You don't interact with

them, kind of thing.

It started getting

precipitated by the dream.

He says he used to dream

when probably a lady

in a white sari would come,

and he says it would be

in one place only.

Come and stand

near the fridge and

just laugh at him.

When those fantasies

became haunting,

with the visual imageries,

that is where it became

so very pathological for him.

And so very lonely.

He was very good with me.

I don't feel

my husband was like that,

because he never

behaved that way with me.

He was very good with me.

He treated me very well.

He took care of me

like you care

for a child, that's a fact.

I swear on my own child.

As long as he was with me,

he took very good care of me.

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