The Red Pill Page #4

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was in the productive sphere.

You know, you have to reproduce

to continue the species,

and you have to produce

to feed people

so that they can reproduce.

So, you know,

it's like they work together.

And most

cultures divvy up roles

because women were responsible

for childbirth

and were more likely

to breastfeed.

They're not more likely to...

They did the breastfeeding.

They tended to be involved

in the role of raising children.

Men tended to be involved

in the role of raising money

or making a killing

of the animals

or making a killing

in wall street.

But those were our obligations.

So that's why industry

was male dominated

and government

was male dominated,

'cause that was our job.

So what we call patriarchy

is men giving in

to the expected roles

that they're supposed

to give in to,

and many of those roles

are very harmful...

Working exceptionally

long hours, difficult hours,

dangerous jobs,

getting killed on a job...

Even politics a lot of people

describe as masochism.

Imagine what it takes to be

a successful politician.

Imagine how much of your

personal life that you give up,

how much you work, how much

privacy that you sacrifice,

how much freedom

in your day to day life

that goes out the window.

There are more men

willing to do those things

than there are women.

Oh, I think we got a pen

for everybody.

But also, just

because men are the ones,

for instance,

writing the laws in general,

doesn't mean that the laws

are protecting men.

You hear about

patriarchy, right?

All the evils of the world

is from patriarchy.

But we're the ones dying,

you know?

And we die for you guys,

you know?

To protect our families,

our friends.

In every society

that's ever existed,

women have had privilege

and protection that men did not.

For example, we never hear

about how men were excluded

from the forced labor

convention of 1930.

For years,

the forced labor convention

was an international treaty

that banned slavery,

enforced servitude,

but it made an exception

for able-bodied males

ages 18 to 45.

Eventually,

they got rid of that,

but there was still an exemption

for prisoners and military,

which is 90% male.

Stop pretending

that you're oppressed

and men are your oppressors.

It's a lie,

and it's a hurtful lie,

and it's a hateful lie,

and it's wrong.

You talk a lot

about the red pill

in a voice for men.

What is the red pill?

Oh, it's sort of

a cultural slogan.

It comes from the movie

"the matrix"

where the character Neo

is given the choice

between a red pill

and a blue pill.

You take the red pill,

you stay in wonderland

and I show you how deep

the rabbit hole goes.

And if he swallows the red pill,

the scales will be peeled back

from his eyes.

He will see everything

that he hasn't been able to see.

And if he takes the blue pill,

he'll just go back to sleep

and live in his sort of unaware,

semi-comatose state forever,

and probably be a lot happier.

It's a pretty apt analogy.

So what is the blue pill

in this world?

Well, the blue is the paradigm

that most people live by,

that men have all the power,

that they've always

had all the power,

that domestic violence

is a problem

that's committed by men

against women only,

that sexual assaults

are only committed

by men against women,

that women

don't make the same money

for the same work as men.

"Teach men not to rape.

Only men can stop rape.

Men commit domestic violence.

We need to stop

violence against women... "

instead of just

stopping violence.

That is feminist training.

The MRAs...

Say that we live

in a blue-pill world

where women are victims,

men are perpetrators,

and it's all a lie

and that we're brainwashed

to believe this,

and that it's not true,

and that men are slaves

in this world

and women are...

I don't think women are

necessarily the puppet masters,

but I think they're

saying that women

have the easy way out

and men are...

They're given medals and statues

and written in the history books

to justify them dying

and being slaves to work

or being, uh...

Being used

to progress societies.

And I've just...

I've believed for so long

that... that I'm...

At a disadvantage

for being a woman

and that I have to work

harder than everyone else

and I have more to overcome

and I have more to prove

just because of my gender.

But the MRAs are saying

that this is all a lie

and that guys

are actually the ones

that are disadvantaged

and discriminated against.

And, actually,

the more I learn from them,

the more I think, "thank god

I wasn't born a guy."

Because I don't think

that the expectations on men...

Is good or healthy.

I mean,

they have so much pressure

to succeed and to be strong

and to stand up

and protect others

and to put their lives

on the line.

I don't think I would want

that responsibility.

But, you know, 5o years ago,

no, I wouldn't have

wanted to be a woman.

But now, I mean,

maybe just it's right now

that the tides are changing

and women are the...

Have the better deal.

Well, no, I don't know.

And then sometimes I think

the MRAs are just duping me

and giving such a strong pitch

about what they believe in

to convince me of something

that's actually just

some out there theory

that men

are discriminated against

and women are...

Have the advantage.

Yes, this is Cassie Jaye.

It's regarding a documentary

about the men's rights movement,

and we're looking

for feminist voices now

to speak in the documentary.

Feminist majority.

Yeah, hold on just one second.

So I realized, "okay,

I need to bring some

feminists into the mix...

- Good. - ...To make sure

that we have that side.

good.

I was researching rape culture,

and so that's how

I stumbled across a website

called avoiceformen.com.

So some of the people that

we've already interviewed

on the MRA side is Paul Elam

with a voice for men.

- Yeah.

- Are you familiar with him?

Oh, I'm familiar with him.

I've never met him.

- Yeah.

- Obviously, they've spent

a significant amount

of time and energy

denouncing me, so I figured

I might as well

have a look at what they say.

Yeah, really, the men's rights

movement is part of the backlash.

- The backlash?

- To feminism.

The men's rights movement

really got going

as women began to make gains,

and some men

have felt threatened

by the opportunities that

have been opened up to women.

And I don't know if it's because

some of them feel threatened

that they now have to compete

with a lot more people

for their jobs.

They now can't

get into the best schools

if a woman or a girl

has better grades.

Think about it.

Grandfather's generation

probably had it

pretty well, right?

All of his needs,

his shirts were ironed,

all of that was always

taken care of.

Well, you know, grow up,

realize the world has changed.

And as much as the MRAs

would like things to go back

to the way they were

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