The Witness Page #7

he approached her

as she was getting out

of her car at night.

He shot her four times in

the stomach with a.22 rifle.

He then rolled

her body into the house

and raped her while her

unwitting family members

were upstairs.

She was still breathing

so he wadded up

some newspaper..

...piled them around her,

and lit the house on fire.

Two weeks after

he killed Annie Mae Johnson..

...Moseley crossed

Kitty's path.

While he was

attacking my sister

he knew people were watching.

He heard Robert Mozer

yell down

from the 7th floor

of the Mowbray.

He ran to his car,

sat for a few minutes

and decided that no one

was going to intervene.

So he changed hats

and headed back

to rape and murder my sister.

When he found her inside

the vestibule, Kitty screamed.

He heard the door open

at the top of the stairs

but quickly realized Karl Ross

was going to do nothing.

As he drove away from

Kew Gardens after the murder

Moseley crossed paths

with a driver

who had fallen asleep

at a red light.

He approached the car..

...held his knife

out of sight..

...gently woke the driver and

sent him safely on his way.

The jury found Moseley guilty

and sentenced him to death.

But Moseley appealed

and his sentence was reduced

to life in prison.

And that should have been

the last anyone

heard of Winston Moseley.

However, in 1968,

Moseley escaped from prison

and terrorized Buffalo,

New York.

Over the next four days

he broke into houses,

raped a woman at gunpoint..

...and took hostages

when the FBI closed in.

Neil Welch ran the FBI office

in Buffalo at the time

and he was the first

to arrive at the scene.

And I walked

immediately over

and stood in the front

of the building..

...and he said,

"Come in." you know.

He sat in a chair and

we were about 5 or 6 feet apart

and he's got the gun

pointed at me.

I had a gun in my left pocket.

I had a direct shot

right at him.

But, but in that direct

confrontation

your take on him was..

- Dangerous.

- Yeah.

But..

Well, I felt comfortable

in talking to him.

I put my hand out and I said

"Let me have the gun, Winston."

You have my guarantee that

you will be treated fairly.

One thing that I,

I was taken aback with

was how small he was.

You know,

I almost expected a larger

presentation of... of evil.

Since his escape,

Moseley seems to have transformed himself.

I'm going to continue

to try to do positive

instructive things

to try to make up

for those crimes.

In 1977, he completed

his sociology degree

from the confines of a cell.

That year, he also wrote an

editorial in the New York Times

claiming he was reformed.

This process is, is really,

a... aimed at helping you.

We know that by helping you,

we're probably going to help

Winston, assuming that

he is in a position

to meet with you voluntarily

and whether or not

you know, he's remorseful

for what he did.

So maybe we could start it off

by talking about

you know, what it is

you're trying to accomplish

by having a meeting, uh,

with, uh, Winston Moseley.

I'm curious as to

what his life was like

over the last 49 years.

Here, he murdered two people.

How does he think about that?

- Mm-hmm.

What did he think

about the events?

If, if he wants to offer that.

- Mm-hmm.

If that opens him up to where

he has things he wants to say

so be it. Let's hear it.

What about if he says no,

he's not willing to participate?

Well, I think

it'd be unfortunate..

...on one level.

And then,

on another level I think..

Well, that's a relief.

- Drink ourselves funny.

- Did you open my wine?

Oh, that one,

you got it.

Where's the stuff

on the bottom?

Where is it, I don't know.

I've got a bowl of pasta

with no clams.

That's... how'd you do that?

No there is.

Uh, some people say

they called the cops

the cops didn't react

because there was a bar

in this quiet neighborhood,

there was a bar

you know, people like,

it's again like a Rorschach

it's like, what do you see

in this senseless pattern

so we're trying

to get with Moseley.

Send him an email.

You sent him an email?

- Yep.

- Wow.

Bill.

- What?

- What?

What's the, um..

What's the question, um..

What's the question..

What do you want answered?

At what point are you

going to be satisfied?

Well, the thing is,

sadly for me

one question leads

to another question

leads to another question

leads to 5 questions

leads to 10 questions,

and it's, uh

you know,

it's a geometrical thing.

We're now sitting here

we're still talking about Kitty.

And I'm okay with that..

- Yeah.

- But 50 years..

If you buried it,

you should have.

You should have

because it's, it's..

It's ea... it's easily

described as an obsession

on my part.

I really need to.

- Bury it.

- Yeah.

- Hello?

- Uh, hello, Bill.

Uh, this is Mark Collins,

and Janet is with me as well.

- Hi, Bill!

- Hi, Janet. How're you doing?

- Very good. How are you?

- Good.

We met

with Winston Moseley.

We are very, uh..

...very, uh,

disappointed, however

as... as,

as you will be that

he has chosen

not to pursue a dialogue

uh, process with you.

You know, he was very

clear that he's been contacted

by multiple media sources

and he's just, as he put it,

"Tired of being exploited."

You know, we know how

important this is for you

and so it was frustrating

for us to..

Obviously not nearly as

frustrating as you must feel.

So is that

the final w... word

or can I write a letter to him?

You're certainly

not barred or prohibited

from writing a letter to him,

I just don't see

him changing his mind.

- Yeah. I really appreciate it.

- Okay.

- Thank you very much.

- Okay, bye-bye, Bill.

Hi. Steven?

- Bill?

- Bill Genovese.

- Hi, I'm Steven.

- Yes.

Nice to meet you.

How do you like

to be addressed?

Reverend?

Reverend Moseley?

Or Steven Moseley? Or..

However you feel

comfortable calling me.

- Steven, if it's okay.

- That's fine.

I thought to be perfectly

straight with you

and to show you exactly

where I'm coming from

I spent many, many

hours and days writing this.

And in some places

it's gonna seem harsh

but I think that you probably

will be able to read it

and understand

where I'm coming from.

Yeah, I, uh..

...I see how you feel about,

uh, what happened.

- Yeah.

- When I was 7 years old.

Oh. No, I know.

I don't hold the son responsible

for the father's deeds.

Your dad won't talk to me..

...and I'm, uh,

trying to find a way

in my own heart

to forgive him.

Can... can I explain to you

what forgiveness does?

When you forgive people,

it's for yourself.

It's for you.

- Yeah.

Uh..

How would you feel

about him getting paroled?

Because, um...you know

if it had not been

for the, uh, notoriety

of this story..

...he'd have probably been

paroled by now.

But see my concern is

there's that part of him

that seems to be

a very good person

and there's that part of him

that maybe

he has no control over

that really is...for lack of

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