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or didn't think it was

a good idea

just to go straight to a room.

Maybe it's a cultural thing.

But a conference room

- um, of your choosing,

- Marko:
Okay.

Whether it's at the Hilton or

elsewhere, is absolutely fine.

Marko:

Marko:
And, um...

David:

Marko:

Dylan:

Marko:

Dylan:

Kevin:

Dylan:

Kevin:

Dylan:

Kevin:

David:
Sure.

Dylan:

David:

Kevin:

David:
Kevin didn't take

to Dylan very well

and wants to meet me alone.

I quickly make this

covert piece of technology.

A camera in a coffee cup.

Kevin:
What's the end game here?

What do you get at the end

or even if you get everything

you want?

- David:
Mm. Mm.

- And what are we risking here?

You know, do we really want

someone coming after you

with all that money?

I've known a lot of

rich people in my life.

I've worked for a lot of them.

They don't work by the

same set of rules.

They don't dangle them out

of buildings any more,

but they don't have to.

And that's the thing.

They start suing,

and you're done halfway through

or a quarter of the way through

because it costs so much

to defend yourself.

David:
So unless...

Essentially, I mean,

unless we stop the doco,

we're gonna be f***ed.

Really. It seems that's

what it comes down to.

Kevin:
I'm not gonna use those

words directly,

because that wouldn't

be prudent.

But... let me rephrase.

Unless you stopped...

Unless we can figure out a way

to ameliorate that situation,

we all are.

David:
Facing lawsuits and

a company with deep pockets,

I wondered if we should

just walk away.

But Dylan was part of this now

and didn't want to give in to

a bunch of bullies.

Kevin:

Dylan wants to pursue this

on his own?

David:
Uh, I gather from

what he's saying, yeah.

Kevin:
Okay.

Um, if Dylan wants to do that,

Dylan does...

Dylan will do that.

If you don't want to do that,

then just walk away from it.

David:
Yeah.

Kevin:
And I will... Dylan

will be dealt with accordingly.

How was school?

Marko:
The main

thing, David, you know, that I

wanted to tell you is that

I think that you're brilliant.

And that you have

a great career.

So I was really,

really happy to find out

that you wanted just to

distance yourself from it.

And I don't understand why

Dylan would not want to.

What I'm worried about too,

I know Kevin says,

"well, if he wants to

go ahead with it,

let him go ahead with it."

But he'll become a real target,

and believe me,

it will be really ugly for him.

And I would...

I would hate to see that too,

because I know he has a family

and, you know, he's probably,

uh, a good bloke down deep.

David:
I've never heard threats

like this in my life,

and all of this

over some tickling!

Kevin and Marko fly

back to America.

And a few days later,

Dylan and I follow.

Something about bullies

with way too much money

has convinced me

I shouldn't drop it.

Plus, we think there's a

competitive tickling shoot

happening this week.

We've reached out to nearly

a hundred boys in the videos,

but they all seem too

nervous to talk.

Finally tj agrees to meet us.

We met Kevin Clarke

downtown la somewhere.

I can't remember exactly where

it was at, but it was a studio.

He seemed pretty

normal at the time.

My first impression of him,

you know, he was just, like,

kind of...

Kind of a little weird.

You know,

I was young at the time,

didn't think nothing of it,

and I was like, "cool."

You know, $2000 or whatever,

"yeah. It's gonna be cool."

It was actually a hard

time for my family.

A family member of mine was

going through cancer, and money

was tight at the household.

So I was a little bit desperate

at the time as well for money,

working on the side,

and doing what I can. So when

i heard this dollar sign,

I was like, "yeah," you know,

"I'll definitely do that."

And then I went inside

and noticed that it was

all guys in there.

And that's when I was like,

"oh, dang!" Like...

And I didn't know I was

gonna get tied down.

I had no idea what it'd be for.

Honestly, I was like,

"okay, what?"

At that point I was like,

"all right, you know what?

It's already going down.

I don't really know

what it's for,

but hopefully

it never gets out."

No, no, no. Not any f***in'...

Ah! F***! That actually

tickles, dude.

Ah! F***!

Being violated on so many

different levels right now.

There was other athletes.

There was mma guys.

There was a bodybuilder,

and then there was a couple

of actors, normal actors.

I've seen some of them on

commercials,

TV commercials. Normal guys.

Like, completely normal people.

Get the f*** off my feet!

It was a torture project.

That's what I believe

Kevin Clarke told me.

There was something to do with

even a military tactic,

or something like that.

He was gonna do...

I think he said

Jane was doing a project

on using tickling

as a military tactic.

And at that point, I...

I knew it was complete bullshit,

you know?

I was like, "okay, the military

is gonna use tickling

as a torture tactic?"

F***!

David:
When did the video

come back to get you?

About a year, maybe

a little more, ago.

I would Google myself

once in a while,

to read old articles

or see what teams might have

listed me in an article

or try-outs.

And to my surprise,

a video was on YouTube.

Hello. I'm tj, and I'm here

on a tickling competition.

And, uh, first question is:

"Are you ticklish?"

Well, obviously I'm ticklish if

I'm here, so,

that's kind of

a silly question. But, uh...

It was just me

sitting in front of the camera

talking about the,

uh, tickling process.

Just weird things. And so I was

like, "okay, it's not that bad."

"When you are asked,

'are you ticklish?'

how do you normally

respond and why?"

Normally, I say,

"no, I'm not ticklish."

So I emailed Jane and asked

her to take the video down.

She didn't ever reply.

So I took the matters

into my own hands,

and I, uh, told YouTube that

uh, they're illegally

using my name.

So YouTube took the video down.

That's when it all started.

Woman:
"Now, I am laughing."

"I don't think you've grasped

the magnitude

of what you have provoked."

"I'm interested to see how you

handle the fallout.

So far, badly."

"Regards, Debbie j. Kuhn."

That's when this Deborah

person popped into my life.

I mean,

just all hell broke loose.

Every kind of video search you

can find, it was up there.

And then it

pops up in my emails,

and then it pops up

more on YouTube,

and it just starts

appearing everywhere.

This video...

Just, all of them.

All of them start blowing up.

And there was threats.

It said, "watch out!

Your family better watch out

because we're gonna put your

last name to shame.

Any time you search your last

name, it's gonna pop up."

Like, direct threats.

They ended up making a website,

putting my

personal information:

My name, my address,

my personal phone number,

my email address,

all with just dumb lies.

Then Debbie kuhn starts going

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