Until the Light Takes Us Page #3

Like cornflakes. We were discussing--

Gylve asked me, like,

''So, how do you like

your cornflakes?

''Do you like them crispy?

''Or do you like them soft?''

And l said, ''Well, l like them crispy.''

And he said, ''No, no, no, no, no.

It's better when they're really soft.

''You have to put the milk

and let it just rest for a while,

''and then you eat it.''

And then these heavy metal guys would enter

and we stopped talking

because, you know, we didn't really want

to talk to them, you know?

We did not want to get to know them.

And of course he was, you know,

the drummer of Darkthrone

the boss in Darkthrone.

And l was playing in Burzum.

And we were like their--

some sort of idols of some sort.

So, they were watching us and...

if we ever talked to one of them

they boasted to their friends that, you know,

''Gylve of Darkthrone talked to me.''

Of course, he rarely did

because he had--

You know, it was like pretty much

we shared the opinion

that these guys weren't

particularly interesting, you know?

lt's sort of stigmatizing

to talk about heritage.

You know, it's--

l mean for most

of the European countries,

l mean, Christianity

more or less erased

our original cultures anyway.

There's more chaos, war, pollution now

than ever before in our recorded history.

Of course, we might have

known a period

with even worse conditions

but the Christians burned all the records

that could tell us about it anyway,

like in the Library ofAlexandria.

Wherever the Catholics or Protestants

or other Christians came

they destroyed the culture.

They ruined the culture.

They burned the culture.

And they burned the records

of these cultures.

That includes the European cultures.

That includes African cultures.

Asian cultures.

American cultures.

Wherever they were,

they destroyed everything.

They want to replace our culture

with Americanization

with, you know,

the Judeo-Christian cultures.

Christianity is the root to all problems

in the modern world.

lt's hard to know what to do

to oppose something.

Because dissident voices

are not tolerated

in contemporary society.

l think it's

to a big extent

nauseating,

you know, to see,

you know, the beauty

of specific cultures,

you know, being contaminated

by the not-so-beautiful

facets of other cultures.

But at the same time, l think it's

a process of--

lt's a step on the way to returning

to some sort of primeval source.

Everybody can relate to Odin

and Thor and Freya in Norway

because it's our religion.

We are not Christian.

Christianity is a Jewish religion.

Christianity was originally a Jewish sect.

Baptism is all about a symbolic, ritual murder

of the non-Jewish

of the Gentile.

They murder the Gentile child,

and then they call the Jewish name

that's supposed to replace the pagan soul.

Originally, the place was

an old pagan holy site.

lt was on top of a hill where

our forefathers used to celebrate the sun.

What the Christians did

was to move this church

from another place, and put it

not close to this holy site

but on top of it.

ln the midst of the circle.

Actually breaking up the circle.

And on the pagan horgh,

they put a big stone cross.

So, if they have no respect

for the Norwegian culture,

why on earth should Norwegians

respect their culture?

The intended result was to give people

a shock to make them open their eyes.

lt's like if you detonate a bomb,

they will open their eyes

for a moment, you know?

''What happened?''

lt was Varg who first set fire to a church.

But there were a lot

of church burnings.

ln, l guess... Was it '92, '93?

My least favorite artist

is from Central America.

lt is the woman who paints

all the women

with very strong eyebrows.

She's way political

and l know for a fact that in Nicaragua,

for instance, l mean

the artists were persecuted,

and they always painted,

like, these really...

close to nature things with strong colors.

l mean, it's the perfect...

disease of being repressed.

l mean, you want everything to be shiny.

No, l like--

l more like the wealthy and troubled art

that comes from...

the exhaustion of easy life.

lt surprised me a little bit

when l felt the, uh...

not friction, but the panic

that people had against modern arrt.

And ''that's just something

that they threw on the canvas'' mind-frame.

And again l'm not a shrink,

l don't know why l reacted to that,

but l was like

''what the hell's wrong with it?''

Because l grew up--

It's my parents too.

They were always like that.

They were going, like,

''Call a spade a spade,''

and all that ordeal.

So maybe,

through the way they raised me--

And everyone wants to be

against their parents.

l never felt l needed that

but l guess l didn't realize it.

But that's the way l came to like modern art.

My parents being very conservative

and they wanted the,

as we call it in Norway,

the moose in the sunset sort of painting.

''Well, at least that's a moose in a sunset.

''l know what the hell that means.''

lt's not like l don't see these images

every f***ing day.

l know the location of that

because l've been there, you know?

lt's like from where l'm from.

ls there more?

Not black metal Mickey?

Can you just use Mickey Rourke like that?

That is truly insane.

lt's just going to be decaf

on this guy from now on.

Thought maybe it would

just be a piece of paper with his name.

Nothing on the back.

Just-- Just ''here's my name.''

How do you like that?

Can l have a glass of water?

l f***ing need it.

No more questions, guys?

Even l'm starting to feel

like having a smoke now.

We weren't involved in any

of those activities

with church burning and stuff.

We knew about it.

l mean, we thought it was...

quite entertaining.

To Aarseth everything was about image.

And he wanted to appear extreme.

He wanted people to think

of him as being extreme.

And the most extreme of them all.

But he didn't want to be extreme.

And he wasn't really extreme.

He gave people the impression

that he was organizing all of it.

That was what he wanted it to look like.

He started to talk

about this ''black metal mafia,'' this mob.

And he wanted it to look

as if he was some ''godfather''

of some organization.

l pointed at the fact that,

''Hey, he sure has a big mouth.

''But is he doing anything?''

And the others would think

''Well, actually, he doesn't.'''

So, you know...

l was frustrated when l realized

that this movement was, you know,

still the same bunch

of brain-dead metal-heads.

And l wanted to do

something about it.

So l tried to force them

into taking another stand

by giving an interview to a newspaper.

l told him that we were behind

the church burnings and all this.

And l told him l could

tell him that because, of course

l have not done anything.

And, of course

he changed everything,

and instead of printing what l told him,

he went to the police and got me arrested.

And then he printed his interpretation

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