Where Is Robert Fisher? Page #7

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to make us think he went

out in the wilderness

and shot himself, but

we never found the body.

- Very likely he

committed suicide.

He hung around probably

expecting the police to

show up at any moment.

They didn't, and he

finally was ready to go.

- We tend to always

find the body.

- [Charlie] Maybe

animals got to him

or maybe the wolves?

- Even then you'll find a skull.

Something will remain.

You usually find it.

My feeling is, second vehicle,

or a way to get out of there.

Or to hike somewhere to hit

a road and hitchhike out.

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- Whee!

- [Robert] Hey, young boy.

- Hey, young Bobby. Whee!

Whee!

- [Mary] Oh my God.

Santa brought you a good

surprise, huh, Britt?

- Yeah.

- Brittany, one more

thing that goes over here,

hooks onto here, it's a

carriage where four people,

you and three of your

friends can sit on and swing,

but it's not put together yet.

- After everything's

been said in the media

for the last 10 plus years,

and how the media

has told the story,

it's completely understandable

how people react

and how my brother's name is

known to be a monster now.

But the marriage I saw was

just like any other marriage.

Good times, bad times.

All of us have negative

things in our lives.

And all those negative things

can be exaggerated into untruths

and made into truth by

people repeating 'em

so many times.

Like my brother

being an avid hunter.

They have pictures

of him out there with

stuff on his face

and in his camos.

And a lot of hunters do

that when they're hunting,

and they've made

that picture into

Robert being warped.

- Santa woke me up

last night and he goes,

"Hey!

"Hey, Bob, come on

out here and help me

put the slide on."

So I had to come out here.

He says that it's his reindeer

are parked in the backyard.

And I had to stinkin' put

the slide on with him.

He was running behind

'cause he had other

kids (mumbles).

- Huh? Huh?

- [Mary] Say more push.

- I'm hoping there's

another story out there that

the FBI just hasn't

concentrated on yet,

and that there might be

another answer to this.

He was presumed

guilty from three days

after this tragedy.

No other situations had

been looked at since then.

I'm hoping that it's not Robert.

- [Charlie] What are the chances

that Fisher didn't do this?

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My mind as an investigator,

my first response to that is,

why is he hiding then?

Why did he take off?

Why did he take all

of his clothing?

When he took most of

his stuff from the house

and took off and ran.

- The only way I can explain

Robert and Mary's marriage is

based on what I

knew and what I saw.

Not by rumors, not by

what the media has said.

I know that my brother was

a very controlling person.

He was controlling

in everything he did

because he was

compassionate about

things that he believed in.

He was very compassionate

with all parts of his life.

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(Robert mumbling)

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- [Charlie] Do you

think he's alive?

- I don't know if

he's alive or not,

but if he is, I hope he calls me

'cause I'd like to meet

him at a bar some night.

And I've said this

before, I'll buy the beer.

- The Scottsdale

Police and the FBI

have been operating under

the theory all these years,

that what Robert Fisher did

was he abandoned Mary's

sport utility vehicle

there in the Tonto National

Forest and then got out,

either by his own means

or through the means of a friend

who has yet to be discovered.

I don't agree that

that is what happened.

To disappear one's self,

to take on a false identity,

either in this country

or in a foreign nation,

takes money, it takes planning.

- He's not gonna take $280 out

to go off to an area in

the woods and kill himself.

Logical explanation is,

is somebody gave him a ride,

or he had some sort of

transportation out of the area.

- You need to know

how to get a false

Social Security number,

you need a method of

disguising one's self.

There's just a lot

of bases to cover.

I don't think Robert Fisher

was able to cover those bases.

His attempts to

cover up the homicide

were quickly discovered.

I'm convinced that he

was following the news

very closely, he was

going into Payson,

reading newspaper headlines,

listening to the radio.

I think he perceived

that his end was near.

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My feeling is that

he disappeared into

Canyon Creek or the

Hellsgate Wilderness area

to a peaceful spot and

there took his own life.

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- He's not the kind

of guy to go out there

and kill himself.

He's cocky, he's arrogant,

he's all about himself.

He took off with a

determination of getting away

and starting off a new life.

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- There weren't any

clothes of his found

in the burned-out house.

So, for someone to take all

their clothes out suggests

there's not a suicide

mission afoot.

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- Is there a chance then and now

that he is out there in

the forest near Payson

dead or alive, and

investigators didn't find him,

since it's impossible to

comb such a large area?

- Well, it's definitely

possible that he's still

living in that area.

I mean, he, the

investigation showed that he

claimed to wanna

be, live on his own

and be a survivalist

and live off the land.

- A great majority of the

interviews that we did

with people who

are close to him,

they described him as a

excellent outdoorsman.

What they were referring

to is someone who could

survive on very

little resources.

They can live off the land,

and he would challenge

himself to do that.

He always would strive to

see how far he can push it.

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- There's been a lot made of him

being able to survive.

He was an avid

hunter, fisherman.

That he could survive

out in the wilderness.

My sense is that

that would wear thin.

It's one thing to

go out on a weekend

or a week at a time.

It's been 10 years.

- There are people

that live up there

that know that countryside.

I truly believe by now,

somebody would've

came forward and said,

"Look, I got a house

here in the country.

"Once a month I'm

getting food stolen."

- He was not a terribly

accomplished outdoorsman.

This is some of the

mythology of Robert Fisher

that I think got blown

out of proportion.

- He's a talker.

And--

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He's probably telling people

what a great outdoorsman he was.

But at the same time,

he wasn't like an expert

outdoorsman where he can survive

and live off the

fat of the land.

I seriously doubt that.

- Another piece of

mythology around this case

is that the woods in the

Tonto National Forest

were thoroughly searched for

any sign of Robert Fisher.

And the fact is

that they weren't.

This was the

Scottsdale SWAT team.

And these guys are trained

for urban situations,

for barricaded

suspects inside homes.

They're not trained to

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