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you did have doubts about his judgment.
I quote:
"He had troubleprioritizing important tasks."
That is verbatim from your testimony.
Claus is my friend. We started
and I know his family,
At a personal level,
not as my boss.
But he was your boss.
He was the head of a whole company.
Your boss exhibits, according to you,
signs of impaired judgment.
He has difficulty prioritizing tasks
and ends up in serious combat
with several wounded.
a compound in the village.
Did you consider, as next-in-command,
that something went terribly
wrong out there?
That is a difficult question because ...
You can't imagine,
what it means to be out there.
Claus is the most capable soldier
I know.
And ultimately it is our responsibility
to get our men back home in one piece.
That is what we are there for.
But he shouldn't have been
out there with them.
We should have been in the camp
with the overview.
That's all for me. Thanks.
Hey.
I gotta do something, Maria.
I gotta to do something.
Hey. Come on.
There there.
Hey.
We need you. Hey!
Yes, Kenneth Jensen,
or Butcher ...
That is what we have mostly heard
you referred to as.
I was called Butcher, colloquially.
It's a nickname.
Where does it come from?
That's a long story.
My father was a butcher.
And I have two brothers.
So we just got the nicknames Butcher.
Butcher and Butcher.
There was Little Butcher,
Medium Butcher, and Big Butcher.
Okay good.
In this court, we have heard
in which you pass on
orders from the defendant
to bomb Compound 6.
At the time, did you know
the reason for that order?
Yes, I did.
It was me who told Claus,
that I could see muzzle flashes
from Compound 6.
Will the audience please refrain
from commenting?
Could you repeat that?
I told Claus that I saw
muzzle flashes coming from Compound 6.
This is completely new to me.
How is it possible for you
to provide that information to the defendant
from your location behind the wall?
We have heard several accounts
of how chaotic it was.
We have heard that you were lying in cover
with him behind the wall
and that you were
under heavy fire.
We were, but the boss gets up
to gain insight
on the compounds from which the shots
are coming. I get up behind him.
And then I see some muzzle flashes
coming from Compound 6
and the surrounding area,
and I inform him of this.
When we're back in cover
behind the wall,
he asks me to verify
coordinates on Compound 6.
And then I can call TOC
and ask for the air support we got.
Lars Holm's helmet camera
nothing indicates that you or the
defendant did what you are now saying.
I wasn't really near Lars.
I was behind the boss.
So I can't comment on what's
on that audio clip.
I'm just telling you
that it doesn't match your statement,
but that it is very consistent
with your previous testimony.
May I just point out
to the court,
that testimony is not signed.
Is that true?
That is correct.
It is exhibit 23. There is nothing odious
about it not being signed.
The witness was on his way to patrol,
when he testified.
It was written
on a laptop in the camp
and it was read through on the screen.
I was just pointing it out.
It has been noted.
But back to you, Kenneth.
It was made in Afghanistan,
a few days after the incident occurred.
In it you don't mention any muzzle flashes
or any enemies around Compound 6,
none of this new information.
I wasn't asked about those specifics, either.
If I had been,
I would have answered.
You have to be asked specifically about that?
Not necessarily.
But I wasn't asked. We had just been
in enemy contact two-three days before.
A man was critically wounded, and we were
on our way out in that same area again.
Then I was questioned. And unfortunately, no.
I didn't mention anything about it.
Obviously, I'm sorry about that.
But, well ... That's the way it is.
Does the prosecutor have anything else?
Your company commander is in difficulties
and has been indicted for half a year.
The information
would have been of significant importance
to both the man and his case.
Do you want me to believe,
that at no point
did it occur to you
to share any
of this information?
It's been six months.
Yes, it has. Sorry.
Was that it?
Yes, that was it. Thank you.
Does the defence have any questions
for the witness?
No, I can't seem to think of
anything right now.
Then you are done.
You may leave or sit with audience,
if you so please.
The law is clear:
The prohibition against arbitrary attacks
is of central importance
in the protection of
the civilian population.
At no point has the defendant
been able to justify
why he decided
to attack.
He says someone in the unit identified
Compound 6 as a hostile target,
but he hasn't indicated who or
specified further circumstances.
The court has heard me question every single
soldier in the vicinity of the defendant,
who would have been
And one soldier, Kenneth 'Butcher' Jensen,
waited until court to inform us
that he observed the muzzle flashes
and conveyed it to the defendant.
I have no trust in
the witness,
because in the sound recording
we can clearly hear the exchange of words
between the defendant and Butcher
up until the order: "I don't
give a sh*t who's in there."
And when next-in-command
"Tell them, I know
who's in there."
I see a man who disregards
the need of a civilian population
to save his
own guy, Lasse.
Is that understandable from a human perspective?
Yes.
We can probably all understand
the difficult dilemma.
But although we have
sympathy for the defendant,
who appears to be
a competent soldier and leader
and although we must provide
Danish soldiers room for manoeuvreability
in extreme circumstances,
no one is above the law.
Otherwise, a judicial system is rendered superfluous.
If we in a case like this
let such a serious violation
of humanitarian rights slide,
we will end somewhere,
where we do not want to be.
Claus Michael Pedersen must be sentenced
because there is no doubt
that he intentionally disregarded
the elementary rules of engagement.
Basically, the penalty in 36.2
is prison for life.
Now, however,
this is a jury trial,
because the defendant did not have
the intention to kill civilians.
consequence of his decision.
The maximum penalty is four years.
It is my contention, that we
are close to that maximum.
With these remarks, I rest my case.
I would like to remind the court,
that it is the prosecutor
who has the burden of proof
reasonable doubt
that my client is guilty.
The point of contention was quite
simply, if my client had PID.
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