Deliver Us from Evil Page #7

And her answer was to me

that I used to say that anybody

who tried to hurt you,

I would kill him!

And...

I shouldn't have made that statement.

She told me that...

She wouldn't say anything!

She asked a little girl

what would happen

if your Dad killed somebody,

and they said that he would go

to jail forever and ever

and never come out.

She said that day I decided

I could never tell anybody

because she said,

"I knew Dad would kill him. "

It guess her love for me

kept her from telling me.

And my love for her...

I feel guilty about that,

but I feel betrayed by the Church.

The Church had betrayed me

and my family!

They destroyed it.

By golly, I'm not going

to let it destroy me now.

My name is Tom Doyle.

I've been a Catholic priest

for 35 years.

I've been fired

from two major positions

and sidetracked from two careers

as a priest in the Church

because I've openly advocated

for the victims

of clergy sexual abuse,

and according to some,

been much too critical

and much too vocal

about the source of the cover-up:

The manipulation, the dishonesty

that comes from the top.

When we were serving

the search warrants,

the members of the Church

that were responsible

for keeping those records

threw up a lot of roadblocks

in having to contact their attorneys

to find out what

they had to give to us.

Your duties as chancellor

encompass the entire diocese, correct?

Yes.

If a child had been sexually abused

during those years,

is it fair to say that

that would have come to your attention

as chancellor and/or vicar-general

and/or auxiliary bishop?

Calls for speculation.

During which years?

When you were an officer

of the Diocese of Fresno

in any of those three offices.

Object to the term

"officer of the diocese. "

Go ahead.

I imagine I would have become

aware of that during that time.

Your testimony is that

no such event occurred?

No, my testimony is

I cannot recall

something like that

occurring during that time.

Do you think if a child were raped

during your tenure at Fresno

that that would be something

that you would forget?

Object. Argumentative. Harassing.

Instruct the witness not to answer.

Do you think if a child molestation

allegation had been levied, Your Eminence,

while you were there acting

as an official of the diocese

and it came to your attention,

that would be something

you would forget?

I'm going to object.

Harassing. Argumentative.

Asked and answered.

Instruct the witness not to answer.

He hasn't answered that question.

Yes, he has.

When the diocese was relating

to the police,

and they didn't disclose the fact

that O'Grady had been

previously accused,

do you think they were telling

the whole truth?

Repeat that please.

In '84, when the diocese

was talking to the police, okay?

The diocese did not talk

to the police in '84.

The diocese attorney did.

I didn't know that at the time.

Okay.

Do you think that somebody

should have told the cops, Father...

Or Monsignor, forgive me...

that O'Grady had been

previously accused?

It was in the hands of our attorney.

Now, what should be done

or what should not be done

would be his decision.

So basically you left it

to your lawyer to decide

whether or not to tell the truth.

We left it to our lawyer

to work in the investigation.

At that time, besides

the police investigation that we had,

there was one guy

that could speak the truth

and blow the whistle

on Roger Mahony

having known about

Olive O'Grady for years,

and that was Oliver O'Grady.

The night before he was scheduled

to testify in that trial,

the attorneys for Roger Mahony

went to his jail cell,

cut a deal with him,

a very dark deal that said,

"Oliver, you take

the contempt citation

"and refuse to testify,

even though you've been ordered to,

and we'll take care of you. "

And they did.

Does the diocese of Stockton

or any of its representatives

provide for any economic support

for you right now?

Not at the moment.

Have they in the past?

Not since I left the priesthood.

They didn't buy you an annuity?

I believe they did.

Do you get a check

from that annuity?

No, that will not come into effect

until I'm 65.

Who holds that annuity?

I believe the diocese holds it.

Are you at all concerned, Oliver,

that if you give testimony

that hurts the diocese

that they might revoke that?

I have a lot of concerns

about a lot of things,

and I guess that would

be one of them.

My parents don't get

a pension from the Church.

They lost their whole

financial stability from this.

Yeah.

They will never ever be the same.

My mother is forced into retirement.

My dad has to quit his job

to take care of her.

Because of what?

Because of some jackass

that was running around

juggling 50 kids at a time,

and some raping mothers.

He abused my parents, too.

The Church abused my parents, too.

They took our tithes,

they took our tuition money,

and they haven't returned

any of that back to my family.

They deserve all of that back.

There is no excuse that you'd paid

to send your kid to school

to get raped, you know,

and to be molested in the basement

where you're supposed

to be getting an education

or being called in his office

where he has full reign to do

whatever he wants to you

and send you back to class.

This case, from the start to finish,

was less than two months.

It was strange at the speed

in which that operated.

We just felt that there was

a lot of things

that were left hanging

in this investigation,

but because of the speed

with which it went,

we just weren't able to do our jobs

as effectively as we could have.

But they were afraid that,

through the powers of civil discovery,

the civil attorneys

were going to find out

that the Church knew

prior to Oliver's ordination

that he probably offended.

He got to serve seven years,

and I testified in the case

that convicted him,

and he's over there

living the life of Reilly.

He's having tea and living

like a normal person.

He doesn't even have to report

like people here do.

Seeing Oliver walk around loose

with kids is one thing,

but knowing that

he was set up to do that,

and he's allowed to do that,

and he's going to be paid

to do that by the Church

makes me furious.

I have to agree with Frank Keating.

He was the former governor of Oklahoma.

He compared this diocese

and the cardinal

to La Cosa Nostra.

In 2002, the U.S. Conference

of Catholic Bishops

asked former Oklahoma governor

Frank Keating

to head a national review board

to scrutinize the Catholic Church,

hold bishops accountable,

and guide the Church

in how to prevent, report,

and disclose sexual abuse.

Keating resigned

after making critical comments

about how some diocese,

including Los Angeles,

were and continue to be

less than open with the public

and less than honest

with themselves.

If you take the position that you won't

get anything out of me without a subpoena,

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