Is Genesis History? Page #8

... and when they start to dig here,

They begin to find small bones.

So those conditions require a classification process ...

... which can only take place during a catastrophic replacement.

So when we see dinosaur fossils,

instead of seeing them from the perspective ...

... that we have early dinosaurs,

then dinosaurs means, then later dinosaurs,

you watch them from the perspective ...

... that all these dinosaurs existed,

all were living, and then there was a huge catastrophe ...

... that led to an end.

Dinosaurs dinosaurs were already ...

... when they first appeared.

They look like you'd think a dinosaur looks.

And this is a conundrum for those ...

... who they believe in the evolution of dinosaurs.

But we hear a lot about transitional forms.

What is the real story here?

Scientists have been able to expose some ways ...

... they think they are transitional, and some of them are ...

... very interesting and some even challenging,

but they are the exception to the rule.

The rule is that no transitional fossils.

What we find in the fossil record ...

... and contrary to the hopes of Darwin, this is the rule ...

... it is that a way exists in the fossil record,

It remains basically unchanged ...

... and disappears from the fossil record ...

... without being changed.

That has to mean more than evolution ...

... because we never see changes in a way ...

... another way rocks as such.

So it comes from elsewhere.

It is a paradigm that has been imposed on the data ...

... rather than data provide the paradigm.

So I think it's very easy for me to be a creationist ...

... simply based on my understanding ...

... the complexity of life forms.

And when we look at the fossil record,

we can see that the complexity is there from the beginning ...

... and this makes us wonder:

Where did all this complexity?

Una cosa es tener fe.

I have faith that God was the creator,

but that is sustained by what I see around me.

Say I have faith that evolution produced this ...

... when I can not even see how it could have happened, that's blind faith.

That is a leap in the dark.

It seemed that everywhere we looked was growing evidence ...

... that fits with the historical record of Genesis.

It was not just one thing:

There were many things pointing in the same direction.

When I was with Art, he told me about some recent discoveries ...

... on the material inside the bones of dinosaurs,

so I went to a lab in Arizona to talk to a scientist ...

... he's doing some of that research.

This is a fragment Triceratops horn.

When we took him out of the earth, fragmented ...

... and then obviously we had to keep fragmenting ...

... for analysis.

In 2012, the Society of Creationist Research sponsored Mark Armitage ...

... and me to go to Hell Creek formation in Montana,

a place famous for finding dinosaur bones,

and instead we dug up ...

... a horn of nearly four feet in length eye socket of a Triceratops.

It is now shattered ...

... so we can not really put it together and show a horn,

but still you have to recognize that in pieces like this,

we found tissue cells.

Oh, that's amazing.

And potentially proteins like collagen.

It is very difficult to understand how this material could have ...

... still in a dinosaur fossil that was supposed to ...

... 65, 75, 80 million years old ...

because the tissue, cells, proteins are degraded.

They are not concrete.

They do not exist for eons of time.

Decompose and, in fact,

tend to break down very fast ...

... depending on conditions,

and certainly in Hell Creek conditions would be ...

... heated, cooled, heated, cooled.

And any biochemist can tell you ...

... this is the easiest way to destroy material.

It's hard enough to imagine that survive ...

... 4 or 5000 years

But did 60 million years? 70 million years?

That really becomes very difficult to present ...

... any kind of biochemical basis for how he could have survived.

Okay, then, once you find a sample like this,

what do you do next?

What we do is dip the fossil material ...

... in a solution called EDTA.

And then you'll have after dissolving the fossil ...

... it is that the tissue remains ...

... that the EDTA will not dissolve the fabric.

So we took this to ...

... what we call a dissecting microscope.

This is essentially a dissolved Triceratops horn and increased ...

... so you can see how it looks.

Just like small pieces of rock.

Well Kevin, what did you find when you were ...

... watching the shows and find some tissue?

Well, this is what we found.

This is really Triceratops tissue.

It is stretchable.

It is flexible.

There is an impression of dinosaur soft tissue.

It's really soft. It is soft.

It is stretchable. It is tissue.

So you really wonder, right?

Absolutely.

And if you see a greater increase ...

... then you can see, using scanning electron microscopy,

You can see the extreme detail of cells ...

... in this picture and this picture ...

... and in particular, look at this picture.

We not expect, nor would think even see ...

... such a large and elaborate detail.

I mean that these structures are incredibly small.

This is our bar 20 microns ...

... and look how small these structures are still intact.

It would take very little break them down.

So you expect the best of cases all that ...

... it was broken and disappeared long ago.

This must have shaken ...

... the scientific community.

What has been the response to this?

The initial response when Dr. Schweitzer ...

... he published his first work,

What was it that was very popular in 2005,

He generated much response.

So initially something of response was rejection.

Oh, it is contamination.

That's not really dinosaur.

It is bacteria, because bacteria can be ...

... a little weird sometimes.

So there were many proposals for what could be.

And to his credit, Dr. Schweitzer did more research.

They started to find protein.

Pop them some of these cells,

observe the matrix to which the cells are attached ...

... and it is protein.

Okay, so once we understand this, what happens?

That really shook everything I guess.

That becomes part of the controversy ...

... because now clearly you face ...

... how can you explain the survival of this ?,

the complete survival of this not only for long,

but not immaculate condition.

And so the controversy has been,

"How do you explain it?".

And if you read some of the literature,

there is almost desperation because they recognize ...

... what could be the implications of this.

Now some people might say that this means nothing ...

... because we know how old you are ...

... and then it just seems that somehow survived.

It's not so bad.

But how do you know how old are they?

You use these methods, assumptions dating methods.

Well, this is a dating method.

The fabric itself can not be ruled ...

... as part of a dating method.

So, why they say this when they do not have an account?

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