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with her infant brother.

She tried to handle him.

But Flo very gently

prevented her.

Eventually though as soon as

she was allowed she played

with him, groomed him,

and carried him around.

Indeed, she became a

real help to her mother.

What was it

about Flo that you admired?

- Well, she was all things

that a chimp mother should be.

She was protective, but

not over protective.

She was affectionate, she was

playful, but being supportive.

That was the key and of course

that is what my mother was.

She supported me.

And there is no question that

those close contacts with

Flo and her family were very

important to my own development.

It was just so amazing to have

this sort of relationship.

Together, the chimpanzees

and the birds and the insects,

the teeming life

of the vibrant forest,

formed one whole.

All part of the great mystery.

And I was part of it too.

All the time, I was

getting closer to animals

and nature and as a result,

closer to myself and more

in tune with the spiritual

power that I felt all around.

I thought, as I have so

often since, what an amazing

privilege it was to be utterly

accepted thus by a

wild, free animal.

-Truth is stranger than

fiction and fiction can be

transformed into prophecy.

Here we have a perfect example

of that evolution, with this

lovely English lady called

Jane and likewise traded her

comfortable home in England

for the primitive life of the

African wilderness

among the African apes.

And now I give myself

the rewarding pleasure

of presenting to you

Miss Jane Goodall.

David Graybeard is

a chimpanzee who has put

his complete trust in man.

Surely it's up to us to see

that at least some of these

nearly human creatures survive

in their natural habitat.

- Jane Goodall tall,

blonde and beautiful.

Jane Goodall living

with the chimpanzees in

the wilds of Africa...

I was the

Geographic covergirl.

And people said well my

fame was due to my legs.

Well, I mean, it was so

stupid, it didn't bother me.

It was really very useful

because by this time I was

needing to raise money myself,

so I made use of it.

Hugo and

I successfully applied

for additional funding,

to build up a research

station in Gombe.

And we accepted students so

that we could take advantage

of the increased opportunity

for collecting data.

Jane Goodall

came back from Africa just

a few weeks ago.

Since then, she's been

traveling around Europe

and across America,

telling zoologists.

It is a very great

pleasure for Hugo and me

to be with you here tonight.

-Dr. Goodall and her husband

have been filming

and studying...

-Hugo, a Dutchman, came

to Africa to film her studies

and they later married.

-She and her Husband, Baron

Hugo van Lawick, are now the

leading experts in the study

of chimpanzees, their research

station in Gombe in Tanzania.

-I am absolutely

full of admiration for

somebody who can go and live

alone in a jungle and do this

sort of work that you did.

Were you ever really

very frightened?

-Sometimes I was

frightened especially

of things like leopards,

but it was the

kind of life I had always

dreamed of myself living.

And it was so fascinating

that nothing could deter me.

What about

the actual significance

of the studies?

We feel quite strongly

that one of the goals

of continuing work is to

increasingly relate our

understanding of chimpanzee

behavior to human behavior.

How long are

you going to be associated

with the chimpanzees?

Oh I should say it's

a rough guess until I die,

but I can't tell you how

many years that will be.

But I think one of the most

valuable things has been this

film record which has been

kept and we are hoping

that Hugo will be able to

come back and carry on.

Especially as the

last three months gave

such fantastic film,

better than all the

rest put together.

It seems to me vitally

important that somebody

should be there.

-Unless there is something

else to discuss we

will adjourn the meeting.

- Geographic ended the funding

for Hugo just like that.

But it was

always an assignment and

assignments when you're a

cameraman come to an end.

It was very upsetting,

unfortunate and sad.

And it was like,

well what do we do?

You know, how do we?

Cause I wanted to go on

at Gombe and he couldn't.

It was simple like that.

So then I had to change

everything actually.

We had to find other work to

do, which we did of course.

On the Serengeti.

We had students at Gombe

and we used to talk to them on

the radio telephone just about

every day I think.

So I would write books,

and Hugo would make films.

Was it difficult

for you to not be at Gombe?

Well, because I had a

jolly good team of students

at Gombe and I heard what

was happening all the time,

it wasn't too bad at all.

I had all this

finding out to do.

So, I was getting on with

writing and I was able to

watch other animals and that

gave me a wider perspective.

I understood more

animals better than if

I hadn't left Gombe.

From the moment when we stood

on the Serengeti plains, it

had been as though an unseen

hand had drawn back a curtain.

The mystery of evolution

was all around us.

I was awed by the beauty.

We didn't sit

down and talk about

shall we have children or

anything like that.

But Grub came along

so, that was that.

It was just one of the things

that happened, you know.

You got married and you got

pregnant, and you had a baby.

I don't remember contemplating

what this would do

to me, what it would do to us,

how it would be, but the

idea of having a baby after

Flo had a baby and I thought

I would watch my baby and

see the difference.

And of course, Grub would

be with us on the Serengeti.

I had planned to do a

decent study and keep

notes and everything,

watching for the development

stages in Grub, just as

I had done with the chimps.

And catching it on film

seemed a jolly good idea,

but it doesn't work with

your own child.

I just found that I didn't

want to do it, I wanted just

to be there in the moment.

For the first three years

of his life, I wasn't

away one single night.

I was always there.

Of course, like all mothers,

I wanted to give my son the

best possible start in life,

and I had to choose between

various sources of advice.

There was my own mother,

there was Dr. Spock,

and there was Flo.

There is no doubt that

my observations of the

chimpanzees helped me to

be a better mother.

But I found also that the

experience of being myself

a mother helped me better

understand chimpanzee

maternal behavior.

It was not until

Grub came along, for example,

that I began to understand

the basic powerful

instincts of mother love.

How much more easily I could

now understand the feelings

of a chimpanzee mother who

furiously waved her

arms and barked out threats

to any who approached her

infant too closely.

When Grub was little,

it was dangerous

for him at Gombe.

Chimpanzees eat other primates.

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