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We are a primate.

They have been known

to take infant humans.

I wasn't going to risk

my little precious son.

So when we went to

Gombe, it was a cage.

It had been made at a time

when some of the chimps became

very aggressive towards Hugo.

And so Grub sat in a cage.

But it was painted blue and

there were mobiles hanging

down and it was very lovely.

I had thought that I could

raise a child and carry on

with my work at the same time.

It was not so.

I stopped following the

chimps; the students and

field staff did that.

I merely administered

the research station.

Eventually, we spent the

bulk of our time working

on the Serengeti.

I was Hugo's assistant

and I was mother to Grub.

From Nairobi,

in a small bush plane

it's a two hour flight to

en Dudu Tanzania.

Our purpose was to meet Grub,

the three and a half year old

son of Doctor Jane Goodall

and Hugo van Lawick.

Born and raised in Africa,

who speaks to animals,

English to his parents,

and perfect Swahili

to his only playmate,

a 40-year-old African.

This child has spent

three quarters of

his life in Africa,

and I don't mean in

a Nairobian cities.

I mean in really remote areas.

You'll make a sound for me?

-What does a zebra say, Grub?

A bit louder. That's right.

And what about a hyena?

That's a beauty.

Now lion?

Tell me

some stories about raising

the child here, Hugo.

-Well, one of the first things

we had to do when he was tiny

was teach him of the dangers in

the bush, so we showed them

to him and say, "Ow, ow," and

teach him that he was to stay

away from these animals.

Did you

learn anything from watching

chimps and raising children?

I'm told that a chimp baby

is just given so much love.

Is that a good, do you

think you could transfer

that to our lives?

Does it have a meaning?

-With Grub, we gave him

immense amounts of love and

security, and everyone said,

"Oh, he'll be so

dependent on you.

He'll never make his

own way in the world."

It seems to myself,

the opposite.

When

he reaches six, Grublin

will have to be taken to

England for schooling.

I hope, in the process

of being educated,

he never forgets what he

has already learned.

Hello, hello, hello.

Anynews with you? Any news

with you? Over.

- I just talked to and I think they are coming.

- Over.

Ok, ok,

have received you.

I'll be joining you soon.

Over and out, over and out.

It was a horrible time,

one after the other.

Chimpanzees came

in, dragging limbs.

Some of them were okay.

But McGregor, both legs gone.

Unable to use even one arm.

It was awful.

We immediately found that we

could vaccinate the chimps.

It was a bit late, but

maybe it would have

gone on if we hadn't.

But, McGregor, he

had to be shot.

Did someone say,

"Let nature take its course?"

-Sorry.

I didn't care what anybody said.

I was going to help

the chimps if I could.

I couldn't watch an animal

suffering anymore than I

could watch a human suffering

and not help if I could.

I see no difference

between helping a human

and helping an animal.

I mean, yes we could

have gone on and fed him

everyday and kept him alive

for what reason?

To be honest, if that

happens to me, I do not wish

to be kept alive either.

Were you

ever concerned that you

might've carried it in?

-No.

The first examples of polio

were not from our chimps.

They were way to the

south, and that's where

the human polio was.

So I didn't feel responsible

for introducing it.

Although, for sure, it

could pass on more because

they were coming together.

But it didn't start

with us which was very

reassuring, actually.

After the incident, it

was no longer permitted

to touch the chimpanzees.

Gombe would never

be quite the same.

I wanted nothing more than

to be with the chimpanzees,

and I made the decision

to spend more time in Gombe.

Grub stayed with me.

So in the morning, I

would do analysis of

data, administration,

that sort of thing.

Then I would spend about one

to two hours up in a chimp

camp with the students and

looking at the chimps.

And then every afternoon

was his, totally.

And he

loved chimpanzees?

- No, he did not.

He hated them.

He's never loved chimpanzees.

I tried to homeschool him.

I felt a bit isolated

at that time.

But there were always one

or two students who would

come along and provide

that sort of, you know,

emotional support that I think

sometimes is very important.

And of course Hugo was away

somewhere else filming so he

wasn't there to, to help.

I mean that was

the deal, that was his work.

Flint was now an adolescent.

And old Flo, she was

now a grandmother.

Fifi had an infant of her own.

A new generation of

Flo's family to study.

But even though he was at

an age, when most males begin

to spend time away from their

mothers, Flint was

still dependent on Flo.

By this time she must've

been close to 50 years old.

But Flint insisted

on riding her back.

Flint was still suckling.

Flo would push him away, and

he cried, and he screamed,

and he got very, very clingy

and very, very dependent.

She was too old to push

him to independence.

You more than

anyone knew the importance

of socialization,

were you concerned about Grub?

-Well, Grub was school

age, and I couldn't go on

homeschooling him anymore.

So, it was decided that

he would start school in

England and live with Mom.

And I quite well remember

when I had to leave him.

And how awful and

betraying I felt.

But, it was better for Grub.

In Christmas and Spring,

I went to the UK.

In the summer,

he came out to Tanzania.

Back at Gombe

now, Dr. Goodall, what kind

of enterprise is it today?

- Well today, it's the Gombe

Stream Research Center.

There are anything between

six and twelve scientists

working on different aspects

of chimp or baboon behavior.

And there are also students

studying for their PhD degrees

or doing postdoctoral work on

specific aspects

of chimp behavior, which

is you know, quite a big

little scientific community.

Flo died as she crossed

the clear, fast-flowing

Kokombe stream.

She looked so peaceful.

It was as if her heart had

suddenly just stopped beating.

Flint sat on the bank of

the stream near Flo's body.

From time to time he

approached her as though

begging her to groom him,

to comfort him as

she had always done

throughout his life.

Finally, Flint moved away.

His depression worsened.

He stopped eating.

He stayed mostly alone.

And in this state of

grief, he fell sick.

It was as though without

his mother, he no longer

had the will to live.

And about three weeks after

Flo died, Flint died too.

After the death of Flo,

the chimpanzee community,

whose members I had come to

know so well, began to divide.

As chimps of one group

started to spend more time

in the southern part of

the range over which the

whole community roamed.

By separating themselves,

it was as though they had

forfeited their right to be

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