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in which you noticed anything unusual?

Yes.

I saw Miss Hoffman...

kissing Mr. Feldenstein

at the door of her apartment.

Was there any other occasion?

Yes, there was one.

What was it?

I came to Miss Hoffman's apartment.

I wanted to clean up.

I thought it was empty.

I saw Miss Hoffman...

sitting on Mr. Feldenstein's lap.

Thank you, Mrs. Lindnow. That's all.

Col. Lawson?

Earphones, please.

What are your political affiliations?

Political?

Objection, Your Honor.

This witness' political affiliations

have nothing to do with the testimony.

Col. Lawson is once more trying

to appeal to the emotion of the court.

Objection overruled.

Would you answer the question, please?

Were you a member

of the National Socialist Party?

Yes, I was.

We were forced to be.

"We were forced to be."

When did you become a member

of the Nazi Party?

.

Were all German nationals forced

to become members of the Nazi Party...

in ?

Please answer me, Mrs. Lindnow.

Were you forced to become a member

of the Nazi Party?

That's all.

Witness is excused.

Defense may continue.

The defense calls Irene Hoffman Wallner

to the stand.

Mrs. Wallner...

you are still under oath.

Did you come here voluntarily?

Did you report voluntarily

to speak as a witness?

Yes.

Is it not true that the prosecution

asked you to come here?

That it was very disagreeable for you

to come here?

It is always very disagreeable

to live over those times.

That would be in agreement...

with the information I have

that you did not want to come.

Thank you, Mrs. Wallner.

The Nuremberg Laws

were stated September .

Where were you at that time?

In Nuremberg.

Did you know these laws?

Were you aware

that a physical relationship with Jews...

was against the law?

Yes.

Were you aware that in Nuremberg,

and in Nuremberg in particular...

not only a physical relationship

with Jews was viewed with disdain...

but every social contact?

Yes.

Were you aware it might have some danger

for you personally?

Yes, I was aware of it.

But how can you discard a friendship

from day to day because of some...

That is another question, Mrs. Wallner.

I did not ask you that question.

Were you aware of it?

Yes, I was aware.

Yet you still continued to see each other?

Yes.

Remember, it was disclosed at the tribunal

that Mr. Feldenstein bought you things.

Candy and cigarettes?

Yes.

Remember that sometimes

he bought you flowers?

Yes, he bought me many things.

That was because he was kind.

He was the kindest man I ever knew.

Do you know the witness,

Mrs. Elsa Lindnow?

Yes, I know her.

Was she a cleaning woman

at the apartment you lived in?

Did Mr. Feldenstein

come to see you at your apartment?

- Yes.

- How many times?

I don't remember.

Several times?

Yes.

Many times?

Many times.

Did you kiss him?

Yes, I kissed him.

Was there more than one kiss?

Yes.

But it was not in the way

you are trying to make it sound.

He was like a father to me.

- He was more than a father.

- More than a father?

- Did you sit on his lap?

- Objection!

Counsel is persecuting the witness

in the pretext of gaining testimony.

Objection overruled.

The defense is being permitted to reenact...

what was a travesty of justice

in the first place.

The tribunal makes the rulings in this case,

not the prosecution.

You may proceed.

Did you sit on his lap?

Yes.

But there was nothing wrong

or ugly about it.

Did you sit on his lap?

Yes, but...

You sat on his lap. What else did you do?

There was nothing

that you are trying to say.

There was nothing like that.

What else did you do, Mrs. Wallner?

What are you trying to do?

Are you trying to...

Why do you not let me speak the truth?

That's what we want, Mrs. Wallner.

The truth.

You admitted that you continued to see him.

You admitted that he came

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