Mommy Dead and Dearest Page #7

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I don't know. It's really hard to say.

I did make her have an orgasm once.

- Okay.

- And then after that, I--

she might've blew me a bit.

And then after that, I think we stopped

because we realized

there was a lot of packing

and stuff to do.

Okay, so you guys get everything packed.

She wipes down the fingerprints.

And then what do you guys do?

We get in a taxi and

we get to the hotel.

Hi, honey.

I'm filming.

He's eating a brownie!

Gypsy:
But later, he will be eating me!

I loved Nick very much at that time,

and being with him felt exciting

because I was with someone I loved

and someone I thought cared for me.

We took a Greyhound bus

back to Wisconsin.

My mind wasn't thinking back

to what was at my house.

I just kept thinking,

"I'm free, I'm free,"

and that excitement of being

free and walking.

I always reference myself to this

little bluebird

that was trapped in an invisible cage,

and I felt like this bluebird was

set free.

Did you guys talk about your future?

What was your plans for your future?

We wanted to have a family together,

and we wanted to build

a life together and stuff.

We thought we really had

a chance to do it,

so we were happy about that.

Does your mom and stepdad

know what you did?

No, they don't.

And this is the first time

they ever met Gypsy?

Yeah. In person, yes.

Okay, and they agreed

to let her live there?

- Yep.

- Okay.

Officer:

What did you do think about Gypsy?

You know, it was weird

because when I picked them up

from the bus station, I even asked her,

"How's your mom doing?

How is your..."

'Cause I was told she was

in a homeless shelter.

Her mom kicked her out.

So I asked her how her mom was doing.

This might have been the first thing

I asked her.

No big deal, They acted like nothing.

What was your impression?

Did you feel like there was

anything wrong?

- Did you feel like everything was good?

- Everything seemed normal.

The only thing that freaked me out

is she was wearing a wig.

Okay.

Hancock:
Did you remember getting

in the mail

an envelope or anything addressed to

Nick or Gypsy or anything like that?

There was one that just came in--

hmm-- Saturday?

I have no idea what was in it.

Hancock:
That was my next question.

- Charles:
I don't go through mail.

- Okay.

Charles:
Maybe I should have.

- That was the night that he had

stabbed her to death.

- What?

They mailed it from their house there

to your house.

- Are you serious?

- Yes, ma'am.

- Oh, my God.

- And that was located in your house.

Stephanie:
My God.

Officer:
I think there was a little--

around $4,000-5,000 of cash

that they had stolen from her mom.

Stephanie:
My God.

Did you see the Facebook post

where it says--

- No.

- Okay, that's right.

On Dee and Gypsy's Facebook post

that they share,

there are some horrible messages

that were posted on there

that said, like--

I believe, like, they slashed her--

like, "I slashed her. I killed her.

And then I raped the girl,

and the girl's dead, too."

Well, those all were

actually posted by Gypsy.

Dr. Feldman:
Startlingly with Gypsy,

who went online

to announce, you know,

"That b*tch is dead,"

and to go even further

and describe a scenario

where she was raped

is just perverse.

It implies a fair degree

of sociopathy.

Just the way the girl acted--

I mean, how can you

do something to your mother

and lose your mother,

and just act like that?

I was like-- I'm just trying to wrap

my head around it.

I mean, they acted like

two normal people.

- Yeah.

- That's what's really freaky.

Yeah.

How can you do that?

Bobby:
Gypsy might have been

the mastermind herself.

I think it's most anybody's instinct to,

"Oh, sh*t, you murdered your mother,"

you know?

Watch that girl.

Don't turn your back.

You she might stab you.

Dean:
I do think Gypsy

is potentially dangerous.

Dee Dee was a master manipulator,

and it's impossible that Gypsy would not

have picked this up and used it.

- Yeah.

- You know?

I know. I mean, that's the way

it works, though,

when you have what he has.

Your mind focuses on one thing.

Do you know what I mean?

Yes, ma'am.

Do you think that if Gypsy hadn't asked

you to kill her mom,

you'd have ever killed her mom?

I know I wouldn't have done it.

Okay. You just did it because

you loved Gypsy

and Gypsy asked you to do it.

Is that what I'm thinking?

- Yes.

- Okay.

For him to ruin his life over that,

I'm sorry, but she's a beast.

Yeah.

She now doesn't have a language

beyond manipulation and retaliation.

I mean, is she taking any sort of--

you know, is she like,

"Well, okay, it was me, too,"

or is she to trying to put it

all on Nick?

She...

takes some responsibility,

but not much.

Not much at all.

- Did you kill your mom?

- No. No, sir.

- Did you help?

- No, sir.

- No one else killed your mom?

- No, sir.

No, sir.

Did you have knowledge that Nicholas

was going to kill your mom

before he did it?

No, sir.

Okay. Sit tight for me, okay?

It's okay.

I wonder if people feel that Gypsy

is telling them the truth now.

Female voice:
Hello, you have

a call from...

Gypsy:
Gypsy Rose.

She was still in Wisconsin

when she called me.

Kristy on phone:
Hey, my sweetie.

Gypsy:
Hi! Is this Kristy?

Kristy:
Yes, baby.

Gypsy:
Hi! Oh, my God.

It's so good to hear your voice.

At that time, she still wasn't trusting,

really, anyone.

She was still not telling

Mike everything.

Gypsy:
I'm innocent.

It's a complicated situation,

but what they say on the news

is not true.

Then we went in the courtroom,

and that's when they showed

all the text messaging.

And when they said they were

presenting that,

she turned around and looked at us

with fear in her eyes.

I guess she didn't think

that they were going to pull

all of those messages up.

Carr:

Yeah, I did.

They didn't get caught red-handed,

but they got caught red-handed.

You know, they have a lot of evidence.

They have the murder weapon,

texts, videos.

I mean, no doubt they did it or

planned it and everything,

so it was just a matter

of why they did it,

you know, and is that reasonable?

Carr:
Are you happy that your mom

is not here to abuse you anymore?

Yeah.

But at the same time,

I'm not happy that she's dead.

You know, I didn't want that.

I know it sounds strange to

plan something

and go through the steps

to make it happen,

and then-- but at the same time

not want it to happen.

One of the problems with the legal system

is that it demands that people

have this one intention

and this one moment in time

and be certain about it,

and I'm not sure that

that really happens.

And especially in this case,

I'm not sure that it happens.

It's possible that Gypsy had

ultimately ambivalent feelings

about killing her mother.

I wonder what she was thinking

in the other room

listening to her mother

screaming sometimes.

I didn't think anything.

I was scared.

I was shaking.

I just-- I didn't have a thought

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