Pasolini Page #2

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- Hello Laura.

How do you do?

Very well. What about you?

Welcome back Laura.

Handsome.

Good morning!

Hello.

Susanna...

How's it going?

Well, well.

What about you?

Get me a chair.

How was your travelling?

Fine, fine. What about yours?

Zagabria... your Jancso pal

tortured us for the whole movie

we shot without a break

these last two days, all day and all night.

It was madness, mom.

And did you manage to give him what he wanted?

Of course.

In the beginning he tried to

stop me from improvising

but in the end... I've helped him

shooting the orgy sequences...

Ah socialist actresses

such a wonder, eh...

I adore them, they're real professionals!

They put this hemorrhoids cream

on thei pussies to

hide the wrinkles..

I'll start putting it too.

But here... on the eye wrinkles, look!

Since I don't have the money for

expensive creams... Oh, so good!

Are you hungry?

No, but you can't imagine how much I missed

the Italian food in Jugoslavia,

because there the food is awful

I don't know why communism and

fine cuisine are always apart...

Ah, I brought you something that... well...

I hope you like.

Croatian Folkloristic Music.

Ah, thanks.

And I've brought something for the girls too...

Thanks

You're welcome. And Susanna...

Oh, you're so sweet.

We didn't have this one.

May I?

Of course.

Some wine?

Yes, I'd like some..

Ah... you can put your jewels there.

Is it true Laura that you

dubbed the Devil's voice?

Yes, Graziella, I've worked under the Devil..

The Hollywood cinema...

Help somebody who served the Church, father.

Oh.. Oh honey come here

and let me show you how communists dance,

They dance,

and they even dance well, look..

Here you go, this way,

Take it...

Graziella... you should

use more make-up

you're so pretty..

Come on Graziella, dance with me some more...

Here...

Good evening.

Good evening. Here.

Good evening.

Good evening, make yourself at home.

Thanks

May I offer you some coffee?

No thanks, water is just fine.

How do you do?

Well. Take a sit.

Let's get started right away...

So... In what you have written,

in your articles, you gave many versions

of what you hate

and therefore you have opened a fight

against institutions,

ideologies, powers,

abd against some people,

now to make our conversation

a little bit less complicated

I'll call all of this "the situation",

but it's clear

that I'm referring to that scene

you usually speak against.

But I want to make this consideration,

let's put that you have a magical mind,

you move your hand and everything disappears,

everything you hate.

You are then alone, alone and with no means whatsoever,

with no expressive means I mean.

Yes, I get it, oh,

you're talking about a magical mind...

which not only I'm looking for

but which I also believe in, not because

I think myself as a wizard,

but because I know that

by hitting the same

nail even a house can collapse.

Those who made history

were not the

courtisans and the cardinals' assistants

but those who were able to say "no".

Refusal has always been

an essential gesture and therefore

to work it needs to be

great, absolute, and absurd.

Common sense has never

stopped the situation.

Now, we have three points:

what is "the situation"

why we should stop it or even destroy it

and how.

Good, now explain "the situation".

You perfectly know that what you write,

and your language have the effect of

sunlight going through the dust.

That is a beautiful picture

but it is hard to understand.

Thank you for the sun metaphor, but I

want a lot less.

I just want

that you notice this tragedy.

What is this tragedy?

The tragedy is that there are no

human beings anymore, there are only

weird cars crashing one against the other.

And this tragedy started

with that universal

compulsory

and perverse educational system

that shapes all of us,

from the manager class,

down to the poor.

that pushes all of us inside

the arena of having

everything at any cost.

This is the reason

why everyone wants the same things and

why they behave all the same way.

So if I have in my hands an administration

meeting or a financial maneuver,

I use those.

Or I use a crowbar.

And when I decide to use a crowbar

I make my violence

to get what I want.

Why do I want it?

Because they told me that

it's a virtue to want it.

I exercise the right to my virtue.

I am a murderer, and I am a good person.

So people nowadays don't mind

killing at all..

That's where the scenery has changed,

now there's the desire to kill and

this desire binds us as

sinister brothers of

a sinsiter failure of

an entire social system

that produces gladiators who were

all tought to have,

possess and destroy.

You see all of us as

farmers with no school education,

ignorant but happy.

I will spit it out for you,

I descend to Hell.

and I know many things that for now

won't bother your rests.

But be careful.

Hell is coming up to you.

It's true, he wears

many clothings and

wears many masks.

All of us are victims and

all of us are guilty.

But the desire, the need...

for the crowbar,

to assault, to kill,

is strong and is in all of us.

And it won't exist much longer

the private

and risky experience of those people who...

how can I put it..

has touched a "violent life".

But don't make a fool of yourselves.

You lot

with your school

your tv

with the calm of your newspapers

you

are the great preservers

of this horrible order

an order based on the idea of possessing

and on the idea of destroying.

Let me get back to the first question.

You magically wipe out everything,

the compulsory school,

the elected officials,

the tv itself.

What do you have left?

Everything.

I have everything left.

Myself,

to be alive,

to be alive in the world,

to see, to work, to understand, my books

My movies.

I would keep making cinema

even if I were the last man on the Earth,

maybe I'd keep making it

because I need it

because I like making it and I would make it.

Either I kill myself... or I make it!

I, I... by making cinema

by making it

I somehow express myself.

And if this expression of mine

gets alienated,

who cares!

In the meanwhile I've expressed myself

as free as I could.

Now enough about myself

I've just

talked too much about myself,

everybody know that

I pay my experiences

on my skin, maybe it's me who's wrong,

but I'll keep telling you that we're all

in danger.

Pasolini,

if this is your vision of the world,

I don't know if you would accept the question,

but how can you push back

risk and danger?

It got late

it's better for us to stop here.

Maybe you could leave me these questions.

There are too many absolute arguments,

leave me some time to think about those.

To write it's much easier to me

than to talk.

I'll add some notes and I'll

leave them to you in the morning.

Do you have headline?

We're all in danger?.

Damn the fascists all to Hell!

- Good evening.

- Good evening.

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