Risk Page #7

There must be

a whole bunch of stuff.

Mm-hmm.

- After something like this

happens in your community,

It kind of tears it apart.

You know, tor is just

kind of the epicenter

Of this particular instance,

but I think there is

Kind of, you know,

a degree of sickness

Within the community that allows

these things to happen.

And so I think

we are still uncovering

And-and trying to make sense

of what actually happened.

Like, how did it persist?

What-you know, what were

the mechanisms by which

It was covered up or hidden

or enabled?

- I have some comments,

but I would like

To actually not be on camera.

I'm a programmer,

and all I would like to do

Is to be able to contribute

to radical projects,

But I knew that I wouldn't work

with tor ever

Because of jacob appelbaum.

And I was never

directly affected by him,

But I just knew so many stories.

- Jake often asked me,

what decision would I make

In the prisoner's dilemma?

Would I stay silent,

or betray him?

Jake sent me a text after

the website went live.

We had been involved briefly

in 2014.

After I ended things,

he was abusive

To someone close to me.

Jake was now worried

about what I would say.

I asked to interview him

for the film.

He said no, he wants the film

to have a different ending.

So do I.

- Wikileaks published a trove

of hacked stolen dnc emails

And voice messages indicating

efforts by party officials

To hinder

bernie sanders' campaign

And assist

hillary clinton's campaign.

U.S. Government sources

strongly suspect

That russian

intelligence agents

Were behind the data breach.

- The grand total of emails

pushed out there by wikileaks

Is now well over 10,000.

Progressives concerned

that she was taking

All of this money

from goldman sachs and others.

- Assange has given a series

of interviews

In which he says that there's

no proof whatsoever

That the emails

that he's already released

Came from russian sources.

Of course,

wikileaks likes to create

Maximum ambiguity about where

its information comes from.

It's very hot

on the protection of sources.

- Does that not trouble you

at all,

If a foreign government

is trying to meddle

In the affairs

of another foreign government?

- Well, it's an interesting

speculative question, uh,

That's for the press

and others to perhaps-

- But does that not-

that doesn't bother you?

That is not part

of the wikileaks, uh, credo?

- Well, it's a-it's a meta-

it's a metastory.

If you're asking

would we accept information

From u. S. Intelligence

that we had verified

To be completely accurate

and would we publish that

And would we protect our sources

in u. S. Intelligence,

Uh, the an-the answer is,

"yes, of course we would. "

Donald trump will be

The 45th president

of the United States.

- Assange is obviously back

in the headlines

After wikileaks released

thousands of emails

From the democratic party

in the lead-up

To the presidential election.

The department of homeland

security says the emails come

From russian hackers

backed by the highest levels

Of the kremlin.

What are you expecting?

What do you hope

to achieve today?

- Sorry.

Could I get through?

- The swedish prosecuting

office will make a decision

As to whether to carry

the investigation

Or possibly bring charges

against julian assange

Or perhaps drop

the investigation altogether.

Coming through.

I have been authorized

By the department of justice

to confirm that the fbi,

As part of our

counterintelligence mission,

Is investigating

the russian government's efforts

To interfere in the 2016

presidential election.

And that includes investigating

the nature of any links

Between individuals associated

with the trump campaign

And the russian government,

And whether there was

any coordination

Between the campaign

and russia's efforts.

Thank you, mr. Chairman.

I just wanted to follow up

with a few questions.

Um, director comey,

are you aware that roger stone

Played a role

on the trump campaign?

I'm not gonna talk about any

Particular person here today,

mr. Schiff.

- I'm gonna continue to ask

these questions

Because I want to make sure

you are aware of these facts,

Whether you're able to comment

on them or not.

Are you aware

that mr. Stone also claimed

That he was in touch with

an intermediary of mr. Assange?

Same answer.

- This question I think

you can answer.

Do you know whether the russian

intelligence services

Dealt directly with wikileaks

Or whether they too used

an intermediary?

- We assessed they used

some kind of cutout.

They didn't deal directly

with wikileaks,

In contrast to guccifer 2.0.

- There is evidence,

is there not,

Of a break-in

of the democratic headquarters

By a foreign power

using cyber means?

- Yes, there was.

- And there was an effort

By the russians

to cover up their break-in

By using cutouts like wikileaks

to publish the stolen material.

Isn't that right?

- Certainly to cover up that

they were the ones releasing it.

- A woman who-who knows that-

that I'm doing this, they-

They want to know why.

The motivation.

- So if we actually-

if I don't try

And make an excuse,

but rather-

Or a sound bite or anything.

But, really, why?

- If I don't-

Maybe close that door.

Um, I don't feel there's even

a choice in the matter.

I was in a-

a lucky position that-

That the-that the new thing

that is-it is-

That element which is really

causing the world to globalize,

That element which is producing

most of the changes that we see,

Including the bad ones, um,

I was an expert in.

If you...

Uh, see the global problems

That we have

as a global civilization,

If you actually see them

and understand them, um,

Then acting locally

is completely inconsequential,

Relative to what you understand.

So that the only way

to then act...

To make the world

the way you want it,

To remove those features

which you do not like,

Is to act globally.

'cause I think-

'cause the features

That you are concerned about

Are a global phenomenon.

- I-I understand what you're

saying on a tactical level,

But, like,

really the motivation.

- That is the motiva-

it's-it's-I mean, it-

- But isn't it also something

about power?

Um...

If-you're-

let's say your perception

Was limited to your garden, hmm?

And so you spend

your time going,

"well, I-I don't like, um-

"I don't like to have weeds,

"I like to have flowers

in my garden,

I like my garden to be healthy,"

Then you spend your time

doing that.

If-if your, uh,

Perception has been globalized,

Then, um...

That this perception

of your garden-

I mean, perhaps I have

a god complex, right?

But the perception

of your garden,

My perception of what

my environment is,

Um, the area that I care about

is the-the whole world.

- Julian texted me after

I showed him a cut of the film.

He said, "laura...

"I ask that you cease

putting into press releases

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