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Shoah Page #4
- [ Interpreter #1, In French ] He was born here...
- [Man Continues]
- in 1923...
- [ Man Continues]
- and has been here even since.
[ Lanzmann, In French]
He lived at this very spot?
- Tak. Oui.
- [ Interpreter #1 ] R/jght here.
[ Lanzmann] Then he had
a front-row seat for what happened.
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
- [ Man Replies]
- Naturally.
[ Man Continues]
You could go up close
or watch from a distance.
CZESLAW BOROWI:
They had land
on the far side of the station.
To work it, he had to cross the track,
so he could see everything.
[ Lanzmann ] Does he remember
the first convoy of Jews from Warsaw
on July 22, 1942?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
- Yes.
He recalls the first convoy very well...
and when all those Jews
were brought here...
people wondered,
What's to be done with them?
Clearly, they'd be killed,
but no one yet knew how.
When people began
to understand what was happening,
they were appalled,
and they commented privately
no one had ever murdered
so many people that way.
[ Lanzmann ]
While all this was happening before their eyes,
normal life went on?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Certainly they worked,
but not as willingly as usual.
They had to work,
but when they saw all this,
they thought,
What if our house is surrounded
and we're arrested?
[ Lanzmann ]
Were they afraid for the Jews, too?
Well, he says it's this way:
If I cut my finger, it doesn't hurt him.
They saw what happened to the Jews:
The convoy came in
and then went to the camp,
and the people vanished.
I Polish 1
[ Interpreter #1 ]
He had a field less than 100 yards from the camp.
[ Interpreter #1 ] He also worked
during the German occupation.
- [ Lanzmann ] He worked his field?
- [ Interpreter #1 ]Yes.
He saw how they were asphyxiated,
he heard them scream, he saw that.
There's a small hill:
- [ Lanzmann ] What did he say?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
They couldn't stop and watch.
It was forbidden.
The Ukrainians shot at them.
[ Lanzmann ] But they could work a field
100 yards from the camp?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
They could.
- So occasionally he could steal a glance...
- [ Lanzmann] Oui.
If the Ukrainians weren't looking.
- [ Lanzmann ] He worked with his eyes lowered?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Yes.
I Polish 1
- [ Lanzmann ] His field was there?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Yes, right up close.
It wasn't forbidden to work there.
- [ Lanzmann ] So he worked, he farmed there?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Yes.
Where the camp is now
was partly his field.
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
It was off limits,
but they heard everything.
[ Lanzmann ] It didn't bother him to work
so near those screams?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
At first it was unbearable.
Then you got used to it.
- [ Lanzmann ] You get used to anything?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Yes.
Now he thinks... it's impossible.
Yet it was true.
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
So he saw the convoys arriving.
There were 60 to 80 cars
in each convoy,
and there were two locomotives
that took the convoys into the camp,
taking 20 cars at a time.
And the cars came back empty?
[Speaking Polish]
- Yes.
- Does he remember...?
Here's how it happened:
The locomotive picked up 20 cars
and took them to the camp.
That took maybe an hour,
and the empty cars came back here.
Then the next 20 cars were taken,
and meanwhile, the people
in the first 20 were already dead.
[ Man Speaking Polish]
[ Interpreter #1 ]
They waited, they wept...
- [ Man Continues]
- they asked for water, they died.
[ Man Continues]
Sometimes they were naked
in the cars, up to 170 people.
[ Man #2 Speaking Polish]
This is where they gave
the Jews water, he says.
[ Lanzmann ]
Where was that?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
- [ Polish ]
- Here.
When the convoys arrived,
they gave water to the Jews.
- [ Lanzmann ] Who gave the Jews water?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
We did, the Poles.
There was a tiny well,
we took a bottle and...
- [ Lanzmann] Wasn't it dangerous to give them
water? - [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Very dangerous.
You could be killed
But we gave them water anyway.
[ Lanzmann ]
Is it very cold here in winter?
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
- [ Man Replies In Polish]
- It depends.
- [ Man Continues]
It can get to minus 15, minus 20.
[ Lanzmann ] Which was harder on the Jews,
summer or winter?
- Waiting here, I mean.
- [ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
[ Man Replies ]
He thinks winter,
because they were very cold.
[ Man Continues]
They were so packed in the cars,
maybe they weren't cold.
- [ Man Continues]
- In summer they stifled: It was very hot.
The Jews were very thirsty.
They tried to get out.
[ Lanzmann ] Were there corpses
in the cars on arrival?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Obviously.
Oui.
They were so packed in
sat on corpses for lack of space.
[ Lanzmann ] Didn't people here
who went by the trains
look through the cracks in the cars?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
Yes, they could look in sometimes
as they went by.
When they were allowed,
they gave them water, too.
[ Lanzmann] Oui.
How did the Jews try to get out?
The doors weren't opened.
How'd they get out?
[ Interpreter #1 Speaking Polish]
- Through the windows.
- They removed the barbed wire...
- [ Repeats Phrase]
- Oui.
- Oui?
- and came out of the windows.
- [ Repeats Phrase]
They jumped, of course.
Sometimes they just deliberately
sat down on the ground,
and the guards came
and shot them in the head.
I Polish 1
They jumped from the cars...
What a sight!
Jumping from the windows.
There was a mother and child.
- [ Lanzmann ] Jewish?
- Yes.
She tried to run away,
and they shot her in the heart.
- Shot who... the mother?
- Yes, the mother.
a long time, he can't forget.
He says that now he can't understand
how a man can do that
It's inconceivable,
beyond understanding.
Once when the Jews asked for water,
a Ukrainian went by
The Jewish woman
that had asked for water...
threw her pot at his head.
- Oui.
- Alors...
maybe ten yards,
and opened fire on the car.
Blood and brains
were all over the place.
[ Interpreter #1 ]
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