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And told them that the card was stolen

And that they should cancel it.

Was it?

What?

Stolen.

No.

Courtney eventually told

us that Kurt's credit card

Actually wasn't stolen,

that she had called the

Credit card company and

canceled it so that nobody

Could use it.

She felt that that would,

essentially, cut him off

From any funds.

I'm sure your husband has

another way of getting money.

Are you kidding me?

Kurt is helpless, he

doesn't have any friends.

Again, in her words,

"You don't understand. "

"This guy can't even catch a... "

F***ing cab by himself if he wanted to!

Hey.

Hey.

That's my drug dealer.

I didn't know at the time

that this was supposed

To be an in-house rehab.

I learned that later, but a total farce.

Most of the time I was

with her, she was either

On drugs or doing drugs.

There was nobody overseeing

what was going on there.

Listen, Kurt escaped from rehab,

He bought a shotgun, and I

just feel like something bad

Is gonna happen, okay?

In the middle of all this

conversation, she keeps talking

About how suicidal he is,

and how everybody thinks

He's gonna commit suicide.

Everybody knows it, everybody thinks

He's gonna die.

Hold on a second.

If he bought a shotgun

and he's suicidal,

Then dealing with this

credit card problem,

That's the least important

thing we could help you with.

Okay, well that's where

I want you to start.

She started off with a lie

when we first talked to her

On the phone, saying why

she wanted to hire us,

Which wasn't true, and

then she starts telling us

These other things

that just didn't add up.

They weren't logical,

they didn't make sense.

So all kinds of red

flags started popping up.

I dunno what's gonna

happen with this case,

But we are gonna document everything.

Looking back on that day,

it turned out to be a day

That really changed my life forever.

The name Kurt Cobain

goes through my mind,

Probably three or 400

times a day, at least,

And it has for the last

20 years, by necessity,

Because of the e-mails

I get, the letters I get,

And all the other stuff,

because he was so famous,

And it gets a little

bit old after a while,

Just thinking Kurt Cobain,

Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.

Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain,

Kurt Cobain, Kurt Cobain.

Growing up in Aberdeen,

Basically not a whole lot to do.

Nine months out of the

year is very dreary,

Very overcast, lots a rain.

It's kinda hard living in this

area and not being depressed.

Employment opportunities in Aberdeen,

There's not a whole lot.

For the most part, we

were lower-middle class.

I don't think we would

be considered poor,

We certainly didn't go hungry.

The first two weeks of

the month, everybody gets

Their welfare check,

the bars are packed.

The last two weeks of the

month, the bars are empty

And that's pretty much

the state of living.

Kurt used to live across the street,

And his mother and him,

they'd sit out there and argue

For a half hour or 45 minutes,

and the wife and I slept up

In the upstairs bedroom,

so we used to hear it.

I knew Kurt Cobain from the high school.

He ran around with my two oldest sons.

The couch I'm sitting

on now is the couch

That Kurt slept on.

He stayed for a few days,

and then a few days more,

And it just sorta stretched

out to be about a year.

It's a depressing

atmosphere, but I also think

At the same time, that's

why we have so many bands

From all over Washington State.

There was nothing to do.

It rained constantly,

so what you had to do was

You had to improvise.

People tended to pick

up instruments and play,

And I think that just affected the music

For this whole region in general.

In our neighborhood,

we lived a block away

From the group that became the Melvins.

Metal Church lived in

the house next door.

We had examples of people who made it.

I used to see him with

his drum sticks beat

On the stop signs, on the

fences, and his dad had

A old Ford pickup, he

used to beat on that.

When he first saw the Melvins

live for the first time,

He just knew that that

was what he wanted to do.

The day that changed his life.

Before Nirvana, we were called Skid Row,

And then we went from

Skid Row and we played live

On the radio, a midnight show on Chaos.

The very next day, I showed up at Kurt's

And Kurt had his easel

and he was paintin'

This picture, and I

looked at it and I go,

"What the hell?"

It was a painting of a giant pen

With its cap all chewed up.

From that day on, we

were called Pencap Chew.

We did some shows as Pencap Chew,

And Kurt tired of that,

so we're Ted Ed Fred.

They don't like that no

more, so we're gonna be Bliss.

The fourth name was Bliss,

And then the fifth name was Nirvana.

I didn't see him as being particularly

Different emotionally from any of us.

I think people tended to read him wrong,

Just because he was a quiet person.

I don't see Kurt as

being depressed at all,

I see him as being optimistic.

He gave me a lotta hope,

To hopefully, some

day, get outta this area

With my music.

Nirvana, Mudhoney and the

Melvins was doing something.

It was proactive.

To me, that takes courage,

and he had that courage,

And that was the big difference.

He had so much talent

and tremendous amount

Of creativity to give,

so it's unlimited,

What he could've done.

It would be nice to,

eventually, start playing

Acoustic guitars and be

thought of as a singer

And a songwriter rather

than a grunge rocker.

Because then I might be able

to take advantage of that

When I'm older and sit down on a chair

And play acoustic guitar

like Johnny Cash or something,

And it won't be a big

joke, but who knows?

My last real memory of Kurt

And it's not a good thing

for me, but I was on my way

To work and I had to get gas.

I stopped in at one

of my former employers

And I was gettin' gas for

my car, and they actually

Had the radio playing.

They overheard it on

the radio and stuff,

Standing, paying for my

gas, and it was like...

I can't forget that day.

I called the credit card company

Like you said, and

They told me he also bought two tickets

On United Airlines.

Where to?

They don't know, or they won't tell me.

All they told me was

how much he paid for 'em.

So, I dunno.

Maybe he's going to hang

out with Michael again.

Michael.

Stipe.

Lead singer of R.E.M?

Anyway, I figure he

flies up, gets his guitar

From Seattle and then

he flies down to Atlanta,

But he has two tickets.

Did he buy a ticket for someone else?

I think Kurt wants a divorce.

Why would you say that?

He left me a note in Rome,

he said he's leaving me.

The subject of divorce

came up almost every time

We talked after that.

Whenever Courtney referred to divorce,

She would usually say something like...

The only way that a

divorce is gonna happen is

If I bust him for infidelity.

Has he been unfaithful?

Yes! Yes, I think so.

Courtney, on several occasions,

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