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the exposure settings

and the date and time that

the camera thought it was

when it took the picture.

I was really elated to see that

the metadata was still intact.

The three main cameras belonged to Graner,

Harman and Frederick.

Graner's camera, the Sony FD Mavica,

that took most of the pictures.

There was a Sony Cybershot

I believe belonged to Harman.

And Deluxe Classic Cam,

which belonged to Frederick.

I then realized that these people

were actually taking pictures

of the exact same incident

almost at the exact same time.

Found a total of eight

separate time-synch incidents

where I could say, "This camera

thought it was this time.

"This camera thought

it was that time."

Once I was able to adjust it,

all the pictures just seemed to line up.

There was a guard log

where they recorded incidences

that occurred at the jail.

It actually confirmed the

time line was accurate.

Sabrina Harman's camera

thought it was 2002.

I had to adjust her camera one year,

nine months, 11 hours, 29 minutes.

Frederick's and Graner's were

only seven or eight hours off.

Nobody really got any intelligence there.

Very few of us.

Most of our interrogators were

And if you think about it,

you got a 45 to a 65-year-old

one, two, or three,

or four-star general

that you're gonna be

talking to.

And you're 18 years old, just got

out of high school, joined the Army

and went through

interrogator school.

What the hell are you gonna

ask that 55-year-old general

that's seen the world, done

everything and been everywhere?

You know, these kids

are intimidated as hell.

And the generals and the colonels

and these older guys know it.

And it's like,

they laugh at them.

DUGAN:
So I'm working this guy,

not getting crap out of him.

His brother was also captured with him.

So I went into the hallway

and decided I'd see what was

going on with his brother.

There's six interrogation booths,

and each one has a two-way mirror

so you can view what's going

on with the interrogation.

You got an Army female and

an Army male playing grab-ass

and not asking

the detainee questions.

There was a guy coming on to a girl

and a girl being receptive

when they're supposed to be

interrogating this schmuck.

And I said,

"Hey, why don't we, like, switch guys?"

So this new detainee's

in my booth and I say,

"Listen. I've been

sitting here for two hours,

"and I've actually been

sitting here for two days

"'cause I was standing

outside a two-way mirror

"watching you with

the other guys, okay?

"I know you know

all kinds of crap.

"And I know that you're

pulling a lot of bullshit

"on these Army kids."

I said, "I'm not gonna put

up with your bullshit, okay?

"It takes me three minutes and 47

seconds to smoke this cigarette.

"I'm gonna go outside, I'm

gonna smoke this cigarette,

"and when I come back in

"you're gonna tell me every damn

thing I wanna know. You understand me?"

I said, "Do I look like I'm

in the fricking Army to you?"

And I put my fist through the plastic table

and I went outside to smoke my cigarette.

Then after about

a minute and a half,

there was crying and yelling

coming out of my booth.

And my terp was standing

near the doorway

and he's like,

"You scared the sh*t out of this guy.

"He don't know

what you're gonna do.

"He'll tell you anything you want.

I mean, whatever you want to talk about."

So I walked back in there real

calm and I sat down in the corner

and I said, "So,

what's your decision?"

KARPINSKI:
My prisons were

spread all over the place,

so I was on the road

quite a bit.

One time I arrived down at Abu Ghraib

and Lieutenant Wood said to me,

"Oh, ma'am, we have an

interrogation going on.

"Would you like to

come over and see it?"

She took me over there and we stood

in the hallway and I observed it,

and it looked

perfectly normal.

I've wondered many times

if they didn't take me in there

specifically so I would be able to say,

"Yes, I saw an interrogation, and,

yes, it looked perfectly normal."

It's kind of funny how when, say,

General Karpinski or some other big shot

would come look at the prison we'd...

You know, have a dog-and-pony show.

And everybody would get

their mattresses back.

Everybody would get

their clothes back.

And then as soon as

the people left,

whoever was deprived of certain

things got deprived of it again.

That just seemed normal to

deprive people of something

if they're not

cooperating with you.

JAVAL DAVIS:

CIA, Iraqi Survey Group,

DIA, FBI,

Task Force 121,

the other government agencies,

that's what we called it, the OGA.

They had no rules.

We called them the ghosts

'cause they'd come in,

you don't know

who they are.

Whoever their prisoners were,

you never logged them.

"How's it going

there, soldier?

"You know, here's this guy,

don't log him in the book.

"He's not here,

hasn't been here.

"Just put him in a cell in there

and, you know, don't mark it.

"When the Red Cross comes

here, move them another place.

"When the Red Cross

goes to the other place

"move them back to where they were.

You know, 'cause they don't exist here."

I'm used to being out

in the road, you know.

"Hey, soldiers,

go do this."

"Roger that, sergeant, airborne.

See you later, we're done."

But now we're a part of this

big high-profile operation.

You know, we're getting,

like, the deck-of-card guys,

the guys who were on the deck

of cards. We're getting them.

Like, whoa,

we have a big job.

Wow, we got to guard

these guys now?

JAVAL DAVIS:

That's when things changed.

They'd take them

into the shower room,

put a sheet up over the door,

stick them underneath

the shower spigot.

Or stick them in the

garbage pails with the ice.

Then have at it.

A burlap sack

on their head

the wetness, it's sticking to your nose,

sticking to your mouth.

Makes them feel

like they're drowning.

Open a window while it's,

like, 40 degrees outside

and watch them

disappear into themselves.

For hours and hours and hours,

all you would hear is screaming, banging.

When they were done, eight, ten hours

later, they'd bring their guy out.

They'd be halfway

coherent or unconscious.

Put them back in their cell, and then,

"We'll be back for them tomorrow."

I know what it sounds like to hear,

you know, skin smacked or punched.

I know the difference

between someone screaming

because they're upset

and then someone screaming

because they're in pain.

You know, I know

the difference.

It was early

in the morning

like 4:
30, around that time,

so everything was silent.

OGAs were, "Okay, we have

another special prisoner here."

He was wearing

only a shirt.

So he came in,

he was shackled,

handcuffed and everything,

with a hood on.

When he came in,

we didn't ask,

we didn't ask nobody who

this guy was, what he did.

That wasn't our business.

Two soldiers took him

straight to the shower

where he was

interrogated by one OGA.

He was there

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