Standard Operating Procedure Page #4
That's Graner with his hands on his
hips and the gloves on his hands.
The two guys
in the background
are the MI guys.
They didn't wanna be in
the pictures. They were mad.
But I was like, "Well, hey, you know,
don't tell me. Whatever.
"Just taking pictures."
I'm not gonna even
comment on picture taking.
didn't see any pictures being taken.
Even though I was in a few of them
I didn't see a flash or anything.
Because if I did I would have
First of all, there's a big sign,
"No photography".
And besides photographing
something like that is just stupid.
I received a 10 month
sentence, a demotion to E1
and a bad conduct
discharge.
I was more humiliated by that
sentence than actually punished.
Eight months in jail for
pouring water on somebody,
and throwing a Nerf ball at somebody.
That's humiliating. People laugh at that.
So I go back home
to my prison cell
and I got one of the terps, interpreter,
sitting outside waiting on me.
And he's like, "Mr. Dugan, I'm so pissed.
I'm just so pissed. I'm pissed off.
"The general that you guys did, he
wanted to tell us where Izzat was."
Well, that's great.
And he's like, "No, the interrogator
wouldn't ask him where Izzat was."
He's the vice president of Iraq,
Saddam's number two guy.
Ten times
the general said,
"I'll tell you where Izzat is.
I'll tell you where Izzat is."
And then he never
asked the question.
HARMAN:
He was standing just infront of his cell at attention.
I mean, he wasn't
handcuffed or anything.
He was like a grandfather.
Very respectful.
some reason and he was so upset.
And I told him not to worry,
that it made him look younger.
I just felt really
bad for the guy.
Four days later,
we were gonna do him and the
Army kid takes off the sandbag
and the dude
looks like Yoda.
I mean, he's got no eyebrows,
he's got no hair.
I'm like,
"Who the hell is that?" You know.
And he's like, "That's the
freaking general," you know.
And I'm like, "Bullshit." And I
thought he was playing a joke on me.
"Damn it, I don't
want this bullshit.
"I wanna do this guy, I wanna get this stuff.
I want to find out fricking Izzat."
He's like, "This is the fricking general,
I'm not kidding you."
Never got him.
That general wouldn't say
nothing else about it.
He had a serious resolve that he
wasn't gonna cooperate anymore.
We got promoted from
babysitters to condition-setters.
We got implemented
into the plan.
The military intelligence
people would come up there
and say, "Hey, play music
at this time. Play it loud.
"And if you got to, take the megaphone
and stick it right in front of the door.
"And turn it all the way
up so the guy can't pray,
"you know, he can't sleep.
Totally disorient him."
So I played this song
called Hip-Hop Hooray
over and over
and over again.
Hip-hop hooray
Ho
That's what
it sounded like.
After a while, the
Iraqis were saying...
Hey, ho
This is not working.
So, I changed it and I
I put on Metallica.
Like, Enter the Sandman,
this very loud song.
Then they were screaming
like, "I don't like it."
But after a while it didn't...
They were numb to that.
I guess they were so deaf
from the guitar, the A chord
that they were able to,
you know, sleep. Go figure.
I put in country music.
That worked. They couldn't stand it.
They're like, "Oh my God, Allah. Allah."
You know, "Cut it off."
By the time the interrogators would
come to take them out the cells
they were more than ready to go.
Like, "Please take me."
Sometimes MI
would come in,
say, "Hey, we're gonna
interrogate this guy today.
"Get him out and you can start...
Soften him up a little bit."
Scream at him, yell
at him, make him do PT.
Handcuff him in a awkward
position for a while.
Completely strip him
and have a female do it
because that would embarrass the
person or humiliate them even more.
We didn't kill them.
We didn't cut their heads off.
We didn't shoot them.
We didn't cut them and
let them bleed to death.
We just did what we were told,
to soften them up for interrogation.
And we were told to do
anything short of killing them.
We would make them stand
in awkward positions
for hours at a time to stress
them out and to strain them.
And we would have them
crawl up and down the tier.
We'd pour
cold water on them.
Point at him and laugh at him
while he was in the shower naked.
Shower him with
all his clothes on.
Cut off all his clothes
with a knife.
Burn him
with a cigarette.
We'd just do what
they want us to do.
If they want us to P the guy that's what we do.
If they want us to keep him up,
that's what we do.
They say,
"I want him to be awake."
They say, "He's dirty.
I want him to shower a lot."
ERROL MORRIS:
Did anyof this seem weird?
Not when you take into account
that we're being told
that that's helping to save lives
and you see that people are coming in
and they need to know who's
doing it so they can stop it.
And these are
your battle buddies.
Gilligan was the one on
the box with the wires.
He was accused of
killing two CID agents.
It was his box. He had to hold it,
he had to stand on it.
It was cold so
he had a blanket on.
I mean, he was never physically
ever touched that I saw.
He was just
very, very tired.
HARMAN:
He kept giving us different names,so Graner nicknamed him "Gilligan."
When I got there
he was in the shower.
There was wires
on his fingers
and he was told he would be
electrocuted if he fell off.
There was no electricity
going through the wires
and to say, "Hey, if you fall
off you're gonna be electrocuted."
I mean, that would keep anybody awake.
So, it was part of the sleep plan.
You had to
keep him awake.
It would have been meaner
if there was electricity
and he really could
be electrocuted.
It was just words.
after photos were taken.
You'll see Sergeant Frederick in it.
That's the one I took.
And the one where I'm
I took that one.
He became one of our workers so
he was let out, like, every day.
He was, like...
He's kind of fun.
But I think it was
proven he was innocent.
We'd give him an extra
meal for helping out
and cigarettes,
that kind of stuff.
He was about
Young guy.
Pretty decent.
Each of the pictures
had file time stamps
but they were all off anywhere
from a year plus to a couple hours.
And every time they got copied to
a CD from one computer to another,
on that computer's time setting.
But the one time setting
that did stay constant
is what we call metadata.
Metadata's a big, two-dollar word
for information about information.
Pictures have information
inside the file
that file was created,
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