Standard Operating Procedure Page #4

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That's Graner with his hands on his

hips and the gloves on his hands.

The two guys

in the background

are the MI guys.

They didn't wanna be in

the pictures. They were mad.

But I was like, "Well, hey, you know,

don't tell me. Whatever.

"Just taking pictures."

I'm not gonna even

comment on picture taking.

The whole time I was there I

didn't see any pictures being taken.

Even though I was in a few of them

I didn't see a flash or anything.

Because if I did I would have

said something to these guys.

First of all, there's a big sign,

"No photography".

And besides photographing

something like that is just stupid.

I received a 10 month

sentence, a demotion to E1

and a bad conduct

discharge.

I was more humiliated by that

sentence than actually punished.

Eight months in jail for

pouring water on somebody,

and throwing a Nerf ball at somebody.

That's humiliating. People laugh at that.

So I go back home

to my prison cell

and I got one of the terps, interpreter,

sitting outside waiting on me.

And he's like, "Mr. Dugan, I'm so pissed.

I'm just so pissed. I'm pissed off.

"The general that you guys did, he

wanted to tell us where Izzat was."

Well, that's great.

And he's like, "No, the interrogator

wouldn't ask him where Izzat was."

He's the vice president of Iraq,

Saddam's number two guy.

Ten times

the general said,

"I'll tell you where Izzat is.

I'll tell you where Izzat is."

And then he never

asked the question.

HARMAN:
He was standing just in

front of his cell at attention.

I mean, he wasn't

handcuffed or anything.

He was like a grandfather.

Very respectful.

They shaved his eyebrows for

some reason and he was so upset.

And I told him not to worry,

that it made him look younger.

I just felt really

bad for the guy.

Four days later,

we were gonna do him and the

Army kid takes off the sandbag

and the dude

looks like Yoda.

I mean, he's got no eyebrows,

he's got no hair.

I'm like,

"Who the hell is that?" You know.

And he's like, "That's the

freaking general," you know.

And I'm like, "Bullshit." And I

thought he was playing a joke on me.

"Damn it, I don't

want this bullshit.

"I wanna do this guy, I wanna get this stuff.

I want to find out fricking Izzat."

He's like, "This is the fricking general,

I'm not kidding you."

Never got him.

That general wouldn't say

nothing else about it.

He had a serious resolve that he

wasn't gonna cooperate anymore.

We got promoted from

babysitters to condition-setters.

We got implemented

into the plan.

The military intelligence

people would come up there

and say, "Hey, play music

at this time. Play it loud.

"And if you got to, take the megaphone

and stick it right in front of the door.

"And turn it all the way

up so the guy can't pray,

"you know, he can't sleep.

Totally disorient him."

So I played this song

called Hip-Hop Hooray

over and over

and over again.

Hip-hop hooray

Ho

That's what

it sounded like.

After a while, the

Iraqis were saying...

Hey, ho

This is not working.

So, I changed it and I

put on heavy metal music.

I put on Metallica.

Like, Enter the Sandman,

this very loud song.

Then they were screaming

like, "I don't like it."

But after a while it didn't...

They were numb to that.

I guess they were so deaf

from the guitar, the A chord

that they were able to,

you know, sleep. Go figure.

I put in country music.

That worked. They couldn't stand it.

They're like, "Oh my God, Allah. Allah."

You know, "Cut it off."

By the time the interrogators would

come to take them out the cells

they were more than ready to go.

Like, "Please take me."

Sometimes MI

would come in,

say, "Hey, we're gonna

interrogate this guy today.

"Get him out and you can start...

Soften him up a little bit."

Scream at him, yell

at him, make him do PT.

Handcuff him in a awkward

position for a while.

Completely strip him

and have a female do it

because that would embarrass the

person or humiliate them even more.

We didn't kill them.

We didn't cut their heads off.

We didn't shoot them.

We didn't cut them and

let them bleed to death.

We just did what we were told,

to soften them up for interrogation.

And we were told to do

anything short of killing them.

We would make them stand

in awkward positions

for hours at a time to stress

them out and to strain them.

And we would have them

crawl up and down the tier.

We'd pour

cold water on them.

Point at him and laugh at him

while he was in the shower naked.

Shower him with

all his clothes on.

Cut off all his clothes

with a knife.

Burn him

with a cigarette.

We'd just do what

they want us to do.

If they want us to P the guy that's what we do.

If they want us to keep him up,

that's what we do.

They say,

"I want him to be awake."

They say, "He's dirty.

I want him to shower a lot."

ERROL MORRIS:
Did any

of this seem weird?

Not when you take into account

that we're being told

that that's helping to save lives

and you see that people are coming in

from right outside the wire

with their body parts missing

and they need to know who's

doing it so they can stop it.

And these are

your battle buddies.

Gilligan was the one on

the box with the wires.

He was accused of

killing two CID agents.

It was his box. He had to hold it,

he had to stand on it.

It was cold so

he had a blanket on.

I mean, he was never physically

ever touched that I saw.

He was just

very, very tired.

HARMAN:
He kept giving us different names,

so Graner nicknamed him "Gilligan."

When I got there

he was in the shower.

There was wires

on his fingers

and he was told he would be

electrocuted if he fell off.

There was no electricity

going through the wires

and to say, "Hey, if you fall

off you're gonna be electrocuted."

I mean, that would keep anybody awake.

So, it was part of the sleep plan.

You had to

keep him awake.

It would have been meaner

if there was electricity

and he really could

be electrocuted.

It was just words.

The wires were taken off

after photos were taken.

You'll see Sergeant Frederick in it.

That's the one I took.

And the one where I'm

outside the shower looking in

I took that one.

He became one of our workers so

he was let out, like, every day.

He was, like...

He's kind of fun.

But I think it was

proven he was innocent.

We'd give him an extra

meal for helping out

and cigarettes,

that kind of stuff.

He was about

Young guy.

Pretty decent.

Each of the pictures

had file time stamps

but they were all off anywhere

from a year plus to a couple hours.

And every time they got copied to

a CD from one computer to another,

the times would change based

on that computer's time setting.

But the one time setting

that did stay constant

is what we call metadata.

Metadata's a big, two-dollar word

for information about information.

Pictures have information

inside the file

that tells you about when

that file was created,

what software created it,

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