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leader, we took their kid.

"Akbar, I have your son.

Your son is in jail.

"Turn yourself in and

we'll let your son go."

I call that kidnapping.

It got filled up so fast

that we couldn't take

the children out anymore

and they had to stay

in their cells.

You feel bad for

them holding a child

for no reason just 'cause

of who your father was.

You can only make their stay a

little bit acceptable, I guess.

You give them all

the candy from the MREs

to make their time

go by better, I guess.

But there's only so much you

can do or so much you could feel.

HARMAN:
"The lights

went out in the prison

"so here we are

in the dark.

"I hear, 'Missus! Missus!'

I go downstairs and flash my light

"on a 16-year-old sitting

down smacking ants.

"Now these ants are Iraqi ants.

Large.

"So large they could carry the family

dog while giving you the finger.

"All the ants in the prison

came to this one boy's cell

"and decided

to take over.

"All I could do was spray Lysol.

The ants laughed at me and kept going.

"So here we were in the dark

with one small flashlight

"beating the ants

with our shoes.

"So that was the start of my shift.

"They've been stripping

the f***ed-up prisoners

"and handcuffing

them to the bars.

"I get to laugh at them

and throw corn at them.

"I kind of feel bad

for these guys

"even if they are accused

of killing U.S. soldiers.

"We degrade them but we don't

hit them, and that's a plus.

"They sleep one hour, stay up

for one hour then sleep one hour.

"This goes on for 72 hours

while we f*** with them.

"Most have been so scared

they piss on themselves.

It's sad.

"Pictures were taken,

you have to see them.

"A sandbag was put over their heads

while it was soaked in hot sauce.

"Okay, that's bad,

but these guys have info.

"We were trying to get them to talk.

That's all."

TIM DUGAN:
The big word that always

comes up for me is "surreal".

Everything that you saw,

everything that was going on.

A bunch of unprofessional schmucks

that didn't know their damn job.

All thrown together, mixed

up with a big-ass stick

and what you get out of it is the sh*t

you see on the news from Abu Ghraib.

It's disgusting.

Pisses me off.

Because the whole time

we're screwing around

and not doing the damn job,

Americans are dying.

DUGAN:
Abu G. had been

hit by a mortar barrage

killed two Americans

and wounded about 16.

We went to do an

interrogation on the Wolf,

the cell leader of that group of

people that mortared the prison.

There was two female

specialists,

one was an interrogator,

one's an analyst.

They took all of his clothes

off and got him totally naked,

which we weren't

supposed to do.

When we got done with

the interrogation,

I'm like,

"So, what's the scoop

with the guy being naked?

"I mean, what's going on?"

Trying to think how they put it.

The Arab position

on the females,

they're a subservient

role in their culture.

And to try

and break that down

so they'll cooperate with

the female interrogator,

they interrogate him nude.

I went back and I asked

my section sergeant.

And he's like,

"Yeah, we're not really

supposed to do that

"but we let the females

do some things like that

"you know, to get over

the Arab culture thing."

And I'm like,

"You just said we weren't

supposed to be doing that."

And he's like,

"Well, they're allowed to

do it, but you can't do it."

I said,

"Okay. What am I supposed to do?"

And he's like,

"Well, you know,

"if I was you, I wouldn't be

around that kind of stuff."

It's not like they were

trying to hide anything.

And that's what

stands out to me

is if you know you're doing

something wrong, dead wrong

you're gonna hide it.

You're gonna do your

best to conceal it

so people that know

better don't see it.

As I walk in, here's a

guy in his black PT shorts

and T shirt

and shower shoes

and there's another guy off just

with his pants and his shirt.

Each one had

a naked detainee.

Someone says,

"We're MI. We know what we're doing."

And I'm like, "Okay."

You know, because I had no idea.

They're not wearing rank. I don't

know what rank these people are.

And they'll put their handcuffs above

their head, stretch them out that way,

you know,

stretch them out long.

Then they started handcuffing

them together. I'm like...

The whole time they're yelling,

"Confess. Confess. Confess.

"You know you did it.

Tell us what you did. Confess."

Then they start

handcuffing them into

what appeared to be

simulated sexual positions.

And, I'm just like. I thought

I had missed something.

Come to find out,

what's going on is,

these guys were accused of

raping a teenager inside the jail.

No military intelligence

value.

Cruz is yelling at him,

"Get undressed, get undressed!"

And the guy's like,

"No, mister, no."

So after they're undressed, they

throw water down on the floor

and they make

them low crawl

making him try to drag his

genitals onto the concrete.

And I'm like,

"What is going on here?"

I said, "Is this the way

you all interrogate people?"

He goes, "There's a lots of

different ways we interrogate people."

So I said,

"I've had enough," and I left.

The next morning, the

lieutenant's right out back.

I said, "Sir, military

intelligence over at the hard site.

"They are doing some pretty weird

things with naked detainees."

He told me I had no

business being over there.

And he also told me, "Stay out of

MI's way and let them do their job."

ROMAN KROL:
Okay.

Okay, on the right, in

black trunks, it's Cruz.

Right next to him,

myself.

To the left

against the wall, Graner

and we're looking at the two

detainees handcuffed on the floor.

Can't see anything

else, actually.

It was never intended

as an interrogation.

It was never

an interrogation.

The yelling was just

for show, I believe.

To show the spectators this

would be done to anybody

who breaks the rules.

Abu Ghraib was mortared almost

every day. People were dying there.

So my frustration

level was really high.

And when I heard about detainees

that raped a little boy,

I just completely

went nuts.

Right before I left, I was so pissed

off that I had a bottle of water

and I splashed some of them just

to show, pretty much, my hate.

KROL:
At one point, there

was a Nerf ball brought in.

Everybody was throwing it

to each other, playing catch.

Here, I'm going to get it.

Once, I threw the ball, it hit

one of them in the leg, actually.

It's a Nerf ball,

so it can't bring any pain anyway.

Graner wanted me

to take some pictures.

He didn't tell me which

ones to take or not to take.

So I was just walking

around, and...

"Just take one,"

you know?

MI came in and

they got involved.

They wanted to mess

with them, too.

They didn't like it that they

were raping the 15-year-old boy.

They were roughing them up, having

them run up and down the tier,

crawl, run into walls,

stuff like that.

And then they

handcuffed them together.

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