Standard Operating Procedure Page #8

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Least he's moved

on past me.

PACK:
This was the infamous

seven-man naked-Iraqi stacking.

The facial expressions

kind of set the tone

for what they were thinking

and feeling at the time.

You look in their eyes, and it

looked like they're having fun.

This scene is what

sealed their fate.

Pretty much everybody

that participated

is in the photograph

at one time or another.

Here you see Graner

in a punching motion.

Two cameras actually caught

him at the exact same time

from two totally

different angles.

And again you see it where they

had the seven men stacked naked

with the hoods

over their heads.

You actually see both of the

cameras inside each of the pictures.

It's not so much that you're there

committing these acts of abuse.

If you're in the pictures

while this stuff was going on,

you were gonna

be in trouble.

MORRIS:
Big trouble.

If you make our President apologize

to the world, I would say so, yeah.

HARMAN:
"I haven't slept

all night. I just can't sleep.

"Six prisoners

escaped last night.

"That's eight we've lost

in three nights.

"Something bad is going

to happen here.

"I hope I'm wrong,

but if not, know I love you.

"We might be under investigation.

There's talk about it.

"Yes, they do beat the prisoners.

I don't think it's right and never have.

"That's why I take the pictures

to prove the story I tell people.

"No one would ever believe

the sh*t that goes on. No one.

"If I want to keep taking

pictures of these events,

"I have to fake

a smile every time.

"I hope I do not get into trouble

for something that I haven't done.

"I love you. Sabrina."

I guess reality hit that

what was going on wasn't right

which, of course,

you know from the beginning,

but then it's your job.

I mean, there's really nothing.

You can't just walk away and say,

"Hey, I'm not coming back,"

or "I'm not doing this."

'Cause either way,

you're gonna get screwed.

We had a Iraqi prison guard

smuggle in a pistol, a 9mm

and a brand-new bayonet.

The prison guard

wrapped it up in a sheet

shimmied it up to a cell.

The detainee went underneath

his pillow, pulled out a 9mm,

(GUNSHOTS)

hit Sarge Cathcart

in the vest.

Sergeant Elliot had to

stick the shotgun inside

to get the guy to stop shooting.

And all he hit him in was the leg

'cause he was in the corner praying, like,

"Allah, Allah." And he was willing to die.

All the Iraqi prison guards

that were involved,

they rounded them all up and fired some,

but the Iraqis hired them right back.

Not only did you have to risk your

life from the shelling on the outside,

you was risking your life

dealing with the unscreened

Iraqi corrections guards.

You know.

And the detainees.

So strike one, two and three.

One of them is going to take you out.

Not all of them were bad,

but a vast majority were bad.

The guy who smuggled

in the pistol,

I thought was a good guy.

I thought was a good guard.

He turned out

to be Fedayeen.

Smile in your face,

stab you in the back.

They rushed in right away

and took care of this guy

who had just tried

to kill us. So...

But it doesn't appear when you see

a picture that that's what happened.

AMBUHL GRANER:
Your imagination can

run wild when you just see blood.

The pictures only show you

a fraction of a second.

You don't see forward

and you don't see backward.

You don't see

outside the frame.

HARMAN:
"This is the first time

I've seen military police dogs here.

"Two dogs with two owners go

to the man against the wall.

"The guy is scared out of his mind.

The dogs get closer.

"The Iraqi starts screaming

and runs straight to Graner.

"And one of the guys lets his dog

loose enough to bite him in the leg.

"The guy is hysterical.

The dog got another bite.

"Blood was everywhere.

"It was teeth marks that

looked something like this.

"One of our medics came, and he

taught me how to give stitches.

"It was kind of fun,

but I felt horrible for this guy.

"The dogs should've

never been there."

One of the things an

interrogator does every time,

it's the last paragraph

of all your reports,

is you evaluate

the truthfulness

and reliability

of the information

that was just given you.

That's the very last paragraph

of every report you ever write.

So if I get information through

torture I have no way to verify anything

because, well, I would just

assume that you're going to tell me

whatever the hell you

want so the pain stops.

But if I give you some carrots

and I give you some reasons

to cooperate with me,

usually you're going to get

more righteous information.

General Sanchez routinely

subjected Colonel Pappas

to this finger pointing,

poking a finger in his chest

and saying,

"I want Saddam. Find Saddam!

"Find Saddam!

Do you understand me?

"Find Saddam!

Find Saddam at whatever the cost."

If you poke your finger in

somebody's chest long enough,

they'll do whatever they need to

do to get you to stop doing that.

It's a downward spiral.

"This isn't working.

Try this. This worked in Gitmo.

"This worked in Bagram.

Try this. It's okay."

It doesn't stop the mortars,

doesn't get the information they want

and it doesn't

find Saddam.

It wasn't any information they

obtained in any interrogation

or interview out

at Abu Ghraib.

It was soldiers on the

ground who found Saddam.

DUGAN:
You ready for this?

The farm that Saddam was hiding on,

a little tiny farm right

next to the Tigris River.

Saddam knocked

on the door,

and he said, "I'm Saddam Hussein.

I'm the President of Iraq.

"I am the leader of Iraq and all

the people of Iraq are my people.

"All the homes in Iraq

are my homes."

And he went to the kitchen and

he made hisself a single egg

and he ate the egg

and he left.

And he came back about

four hours later,

and he's like,

"I'm staying here."

And the dude's wife,

like, freaked.

Saddam was captured

on the 13th, Sunday morning.

And then on Monday,

I had to report to Colonel Pappas' office.

He asked if we wanted to volunteer

for a special projects team.

He'd just got off the phone

with Defense Secretary Rumsfeld.

Rumsfeld and Sanchez had

authorized all approach techniques

on the high value detainees.

They said we had the opportunity

to break the insurgency right then

'cause of the stuff that

was captured with Saddam.

And at that time

I believed it.

PACK:
You have to look at

exactly what the pictures depict.

It was important to separate

those that were criminal acts

and those things that

were not criminal acts.

And that's what the prosecution

would have to focus on.

If somebody was physically injured,

you know you have a criminal act.

Putting somebody into sexually

humiliating positions,

you have a criminal act.

Making them abuse themselves sexually,

you have a criminal act.

Standing by and watching somebody

hit their head on the wall

and taking photographs

at the time

that's dereliction of duty,

so it's a criminal act.

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