The China Hustle Page #6
there was nothing happening
at this company.
All of a sudden,
things get turned on.
Lights start working.
The next day,
with a busload of investors.
Take a tour of the facility,
get back on the bus, leave.
All the lights go back off.
Rodman investors,
invest in a bunch.
You continue to find really
interesting anomalies in China.
I talked to the people who were
running the industrial gases
that were feeding a steel mill.
"We're making a profit
on this now,"
and then they said,
"Yes, but there's a problem.
It seems that
the gauges were wrong,
and we, uh, did not deliver
as much gas
as we charged
the steel mill for."
I said, "When did you find this out?"
They said, "Just last week."
I said, "And how much were
the gauges wrong?"
"Uh, by the exact amount
of our profit.
It's very strange."
If you respect me,
I will respect you.
If this return of respect
is about profit, I will give it up.
I've been told I am addressing
the Honorable Ho,
whose ancestors have been
I am humble Ho,
whose name stands in deep shadow
before the tincture
of the great company.
In China, business is done
following a tradition
of not having a particularly
strong legal system.
So people rely more on trust
and on personal relationships.
I shall gain merit in the eyes
of the company by being so trusted.
There's a lot of focus
on building those relationships
so that you can build the trust.
The Chinese call this network
of personal relationships, guanxi.
And so I give you small
gifts and I do you favors,
and then you owe me one.
You scratch my back,
I'll scratch yours.
If you do enough favors
of people,
you have the ability
to call on them
quite inconvenient for them.
And that they would feel
an obligation
to actually go forward.
This notion that guanxi
wasn't just trading favors
but represented something
more powerful is crucial.
Dan had told me that going
after Chinese companies,
could be dangerous.
But it wasn't until he told me
the story of Alfred Little that I really
understood what he meant.
When these short reports
started coming out,
there was a website
called Alfred Little.
And it started publishing these
very interesting reports,
the sort of the shoe leather,
like,
"We've gone out and we sat
in front of this factory,
and this is what we found."
The website described
Alfred Little
as an investor with
35 years of experience,
I think he was supposed
to have worked at Deloitte.
You know, maybe he lived
in Shanghai.
I mean, there was this whole
backstory, right?
He basically says that,
all these companies
in China are fraud,
are just wholesale bullshit.
And I was dismissive of it.
I can't remember the date,
but I got an email saying,
"I'm gonna be in New York.
Let's meet."
I was like, "Oh, okay,"
so I go to this hotel,
and there's this guy,
and he's like,
"Oh, I'm Jon Carnes."
Like, "I'm the guy who's been...
you know, I'm Alfred Little."
As one of the few Westerners
still working as a short seller
inside China,
Carnes knew how to be careful
and cover his tracks.
Posing as Alfred Little
had served him well.
But when he decided
to take on Silvercorp,
a mining company
he and his investigators would find
out the dark side of guanxi.
You know, some companies
are more aggressive than others,
but in general, I've found that
the more truthful the report,
the more difficult it is
for a company to explain
these negative truths,
the more likely they're going
to commit some form of retaliation.
Because if
a company can't answer
the questions raised
by the short seller,
then they look for other means
to stop the negative reports.
to publicly question Silvercorp,
the company's stock price
started to drop.
Company officials called
in favors
with the local authorities.
Police began to threaten
Little's chief researcher,
Kun Huang,
detaining him for hours
or days at a time,
demanding to know whom
he was really working for.
Carnes knew that
there was no cavalry coming.
and they said
their phones couldn't even dial China,
let alone protect him
and his team.
(speaking in Mandarin)
He sent another researcher
to secretly record evidence
that local police officials were doing
Silvercorp's bidding.
He would use the videos as leverage to
try and keep Kun out of jail.
Have you had any contact
with Kun Huang?
(in Mandarin)
Communist Party Official: No.
Official:
Don't have anymore contact with him.
Official:
Kun Huang is insignificant.Like a pebble.
Official:
Toss one out andno one would care.
Official:
He's a Chinese nationalcommitting crimes in China.
This issue... If Silvercorp
didn't make such a big mess of it,
It all would have been concluded
by the end of last year.
Official:
Don't worry, we would notprosecute an innocent person.
(man speaking Mandarin)
We started investigating Silvercorp
around May or June of 2011.
(in Mandarin)
We were informed by other investors
that Silvercorp operated
silver mines in China,
and that it was regarded very highly.
Kun had made secret videos
of Silvercorp's
under performing mines,
and some of the local officials
they had bribed.
He was detained briefly
twice in late 2011,
and officials promised
to leave him alone
if he would expose
He refused,
and later that year,
he was stopped at the border
as he tried to flee to Hong Kong.
When I first entered
the detention center
(in Mandarin)
nobody told me that I had
a right to talk to a lawyer.
I knew that the interrogators were
in cahoots with Silvercorp,
and they wanted revenge.
I arrived at midnight
and they put me in a cell.
It was only thirty square meters.
The room was filled with people
sleeping on the floor.
I was terrified. I didn't know
how long I would be locked up for.
I didn't do anything illegal.
But I ended up locked in a Chinese
prison for two years.
This was a great disaster for me.
It was devastating to my family.
But I think I did the right thing.
Good will ultimately
triumph over evil.
What...
No sh*t.
Hmm.
Before Jon was exposed
as Alfred Little,
Dan thought he was a crackpot.
Hey...
Now, along
with Carson, Matt, and Soren,
they're part of
a loose-knit tribe.
Activist short sellers chasing
down frauds in China.
Most of them are realists,
believing the market finds
the truth on its own.
Dan is different.
He takes it personally.
the psychologist once a week.
That was a great thing
you did, though...
Not cutting him loose.
Taking care of him
while he was over there.
we know would've just cut him loose.
We owe him a lot.
Kun's imprisonment changed Dan.
As far as he was concerned,
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