The Karma Killings Page #5

'Do whatever you want.'

When he was finished,

I would tell him to kill,

cut up,

and dispose of the body."

- There is

no confession in

the police custody

made by my father.

He was made to sign

two blank documents

by Noida police,

which I was told by

my father the day I met him,

"I have signed two documents

which are blank

and submitted to

the Noida police."

Those documents

have not been relied

upon by the CBI,

because any evidence given

to the police,

or any, uh, confession given

to the police

is not admissible in the

Indian Judicial System.

Add to that also,

to take my father's custody...

To take any person's custody,

You need a confession

or you need evidence

to take a person's, uh,

police custody.

And I think these things

were concocted just to

take my father's custody.

- Let's assume

that Pandher was innocent.

The cops had no idea

how big this case was.

And when they realized

how big it was,

they probably

got overwhelmed.

- So, the confession.

We spoke to the cops,

and they told us he

hadn't confessed.

This confession

had no evidentiary value.

The officers presumed

he was guilty

and wrote the confession.

No officer has said that he

confessed in front of him.

Even Pandher denies it.

At that time, the perception

was, "How could he

have not known?"

So they made it up

to show his involvement.

That wasn't correct.

- We have

no investigations here.

If there's

a murder committed,

cops ask the family,

"Who could have done it?"

They take a person's name.

Even if he isn't involved,

he is made the culprit.

There's a trial against him.

Then the court needs

to decide his verdict.

But no one will collect

evidence here.

It's enough to say

we "feel" he is guilty.

Anyone can rig fake witnesses

Who say they've seen him

commit murder.

That's the basic concept

of this country.

- The question

that arises here is that,

if the cops wrote

that wrong statement,

then the police have done

something wrong.

Assuming the statement

is wrong,

then Pandher could go

to the gallows based on it.

- I will tell you

the most important thing.

Everybody will be shocked

when they hear this.

There are 13 cases.

The CBI has done all

the investigations.

Case number one.

On the day

of the murder,

Pandher was in Australia

and not in Noida.

Second case.

Pandher was in Chandigarh.

Third case. Pandher was

over here, over there.

In all 13 cases,

there was an alibi.

- So, they asked us, how do we not...

How do we corroborate the entire thing?

How do we know

whether he was there or not?

So my first answer was,

"Sir, uh,

when you leave the country,

your passport is stamped.

When you enter

another country, your

passport is stamped.

Then he used to carry

his cell phone with him.

There are international calls

To him in Canada

on his cell phone.

He is making calls

to his customers in India.

So obviously the outgoing

will also be explained

in his bill.

Through the slips they tracked him down,

That he was traveling

from here to here.

He stayed here.

If he stayed in a hotel,

the bills were already

produced on record

in the company.

They took up those bills,

they went to the hotel.

They took up evidences

from the waiters,

The receptionist, everyone.

They confirmed

whether my father

stayed there or not.

- When the incidents happened,

we verified his

mobile phone's locations.

Where he went, his schedule.

We verified everything.

There were some incidents

where he was in Australia,

so we checked his passports

and visas.

Most of the time,

Pandher wasn't in town when

the crimes took place.

Most of the time.

- The biggest

thing is that the CBI

made a foolish mistake.

They verified

the phone's location,

not the man's location.

They can be different.

The phone's location

won't always be the

same as the man's.

It's possible that,

at the time of the murders,

he kept his phone

somewhere else.

The CBI has given alibis

for all 13 cases

saying that Pandher was

not here when the

crimes were committed.

But no scientific evidence

was used to ascertain the

exact dates of the murders.

Only the dates

of the kidnappings.

We know

when the kids vanished.

They could have taken

a girl, but killed her

two or three days later.

That's unclear.

- But when the confessions

and the case diary

were presented,

the saw was deposited

and his statement was taken

and he was cross-examined.

At that point, based on the

evidence, the judge thought

that Pandher was guilty.

She felt

Pandher was equally guilty

and summoned him

for a trial.

- My father was summoned under

Section 302, that is murder,

then, uh, read with 120B,

that's conspiracy to murder.

Then, uh, rape,

conspiracy to rape,

abduction.

So, after my father's 313,

he very

blatantly told me, "Listen,

I know I'm going

to get convicted.

And I have

this very bad feeling,

I don't know, like,

I think we are stuck now."

'THE KILLERS OF NITHARI'

- Pandher and his servant Koli

have been found guilty

in the Nithari case.

The special CBI court has

found them guilty in the

Rimpa Haldar murder case.

Their sentences

will be announced tomorrow.

'SEARCH FOR MISSING KIDS'

Pandher and Koli are

the Nithari serial killers.

The special CBI court judge,

Rama Jain,

has judged Koli guilty

of murdering and raping

14-year-old Rimpa Haldar,

while Pandher has been found

guilty of conspiracy to murder.

- At that time,

both the accused started crying.

Pandher was really shocked

and fainted.

Pandher's wife and his son

told the media

that they do not trust

the courts anymore.

- They don't want justice,

they only want Pandher.

They just want a scapegoat

who can be hanged.

If this

is what justice is, fine.

But this is an injustice

for us. As family,

this is injustice.

We are hurting for it

because as an Indian,

I expect my country

to do justice to me.

I expect my judicial system

to do justice to me.

This is wrong!

- When we were held guilty

by the court,

my lawyer came up to me.

That is Devraj.

He was very blunt to me.

He's like, "Listen,

I fear it's going to be

a death penalty.

But they have asked me

to argue what...

What kind of penalty

would you want?"

- I said, "This is India.

If you give us

lifetime imprisonment,

no one will hear our appeal.

Give us the death sentence,

then maybe we can have an

appeal in a year or two."

- You are my lawyer,

and you are asking me to,

you know, basically sell my father out,

And ask him to...

Asking me to take

the death penalty against him.

- Only the High Court

can challenge this verdict.

If you give us life,

then the High Court will

never listen to us.

Because the High Court has

a huge backlog of appeals.

Lifetime convictions

are still pending today.

It would have been the same

for us, waiting 20 years.

This seemed like a way out.

So by asking for the death

penalty, they might listen

to us in a year or two.

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