West of Memphis Page #12

Can you think of any reason?

No.

She's told me about that,

but I really feel like, if that was true,

why didn't you say that

16, 17, or 18 years ago?

Why do you wait

this long to say it?

Because maybe if it would have

been true and she said something,

then my mom would've kept me,

she would've fought for me.

MEEKS:
This is kind of a new thing

for y'all, this therapy stuff,

so that's pretty stressful.

But you'll get comfortable with that.

"Guilt. I feel guilty practically all the

time." Can you put a finger on the guilt?

Where's that guilt coming from?

I don't know.

Just can't seem

to pick it out, huh?

D'LESLl:
Attached here, too, is exhibit

one, pages from Amanda Hobbs' journal

in her handwriting.

"You know, I think I'm the only

19-year-old that can't remember"

what happened in my life

10 years ago.

Was I traumatized as a child that

I had to turn to drugs to forget about it?

I used to tell my mom,

'My dad messed with me.'

I honestly don't remember.

I used to dream about my dad having

sex with me, but it was just a dream.

As far as I remember,

my dad never touched me sexually,

"but he beat the hell out of me."

He hit me one time with a belt,

but he used the buckle.

And it left a welt, probably that thick,

across my whole back and it was purple.

D'LESLl:
Is it still your testimony

you never hit your daughter?

Correct.

D'LESLl:

You never sexually molested her?

Never one time.

D'LESLl:
When we talk about emotional or

other problems your daughter has had,

you do not feel you are

responsible for any of those.

Is that correct? Correct.

PAM:
I know Stevie asked me about

two weeks before he was murdered

to leave Terry,

and I asked him why.

And he said, "He loves Amanda,

but he don't love me."

I feel like I'm putting the pieces

of a puzzle together and I'm so scared.

Talking to Terry over things

that's happened and all that,

they did their job,

they got the right ones, and all this.

I just want the truth.

I want the answers.

Since the program aired,

convictions were handed down

to all three of the accused teenagers,

and it became undeniable

that the brutal murders

had been part of a Satanic ritual.

Back with us today,

Pam and Terry Hobbs.

I mean, all murder is horrible.

Is the manner of his,

the specific manner in which he died,

is that something

that will always haunt you?

Yeah, I'll go to my grave with it,

thinking about it.

I realize my son

is in a better place.

STIDHAM:
I got a phone call back

in 2003 about the Hobbs knives

that Pam discovered

when their marriage went south.

PAM:
What stuck out to our attention

is Stevie's knife in there.

STIDHAM:
According to Pam, that knife

would have been in the boy's pocket

the day that he was murdered,

and so that was very interesting.

MORIARTY:
How did he get it? More

important, when did he get it?

Pam says she knows Stevie Branch

had it until he died. Terry Hobbs says...

I was his dad,

I was acting as a responsible parent.

Not letting a 6-, 7-, 8-year-old little boy

carry a pocket knife.

DAVISON:
Aren't you aware

that his mommy, his mother,

said that he carried the knife with him

up until the time that he disappeared?

So?

And she stated

that she didn't trust

the prosecution and she wanted

to turn it over to the defense.

DAVISON:
I'm asking if it surprised you,

given the fact that the West Memphis Police

has spent so much time

and so much money over the years

saying they got it right, that when

DNA attributed to someone else

was found in the ligature

of one of the victims

that they attributed it

to secondary transfer?

What if it was secondary transfer?

What if it wasn't?

What are you saying?

I'm saying there could be a question

about whether or not you were

somehow involved in these crimes.

Well, who says that?

How do you explain

Mr. Jacoby's DNA?

Which is the second...

I have no explanation for that.

ATTORNEY:
Objection to form...

We was in them woods all night.

The first time I heard about DNA was

the lack of DNA at the crime scene.

The first time I heard about my DNA,

it was just shock therapy, I think.

Telling me that they found my DNA

at the crime scene.

Sleepless nights, you know,

going over and over,

trying to see if there was something

you missed or something you heard or...

DAVISON:
It's your testimony Mr. Jacoby

was with you all night in the woods?

We were together quite a bit that night.

No, that's not my question.

You testified earlier

that you and Mr. Jacoby

were together all night

until it was time

for him to go to work. Exactly.

Is that your story, or are you changing it?

TERRY:
No, we were.

JACOBY:
So I'm at home and I

hear a knock on the door.

And it's Terry and Amanda.

I ask him what's he doing. He says:

"Oh, looking for Stevie,

he was supposed to be home."

D'LESLl:
"Terry and Amanda

came inside my house."

Amanda played with toys and Terry

and I sat down and played guitars

"for up to one hour." You've

already stated that it's possible

you went to David's house

and played guitars for one hour.

I didn't say that.

You said that in your last deposition.

I don't recall playing the guitars.

I went over to see if David would

help me look for the three little boys.

"Pretty Woman," Roy Orbison.

I handed him my guitar and asked him

to play that part of that song again,

so I could get it down and he...

We did that two or three times,

you know, before I finally got it right.

So, you know,

a little time went by and he says:

"Well, you know,

I need to go look for Stevie."

I said, "Terry, let me know.

Let me know where you find him."

DAVISON:
Did you see Stevie

at all that day, May the 5th?

No, I did not.

Did you see any

of the three boys that day?

No, I did not.

JAMIE:
I think the timeframe is what

pulled us in more than anything else,

because I was like, "Wait a minute."

We went to church every Wednesday

at the same time.

We left about 6:
30 every single

Wednesday, we never missed church.

And we saw them out there.

Terry Hobbs and Steven Branch

lived three houses down from us

on South McAuley.

About 6:
30, we came out the door

and Steven was in front on his bike.

Christopher and Michael

were running behind him,

and they zoomed out real fast.

I told Christopher,

I yelled to him, "You need to go home."

Your brother said to go home."

He said, "I don't have to do

what you tell me to do."

And I saw Terry walking down

the sidewalk, and he was saying:

"Y'all come back down here,"

and they all went in that direction

toward him and we got in the car

and went to church.

The next day at school,

Ryan came up to us and he said

they couldn't find his brother,

his brother didn't come home.

I told him, "I saw your brother,

I talked to him."

I told him to come home.

What are you talking about?"

He was really devastated,

he was crying.

And he said that they found his brother,

and he wasn't alive anymore.

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