West of Memphis Page #13

We knew we saw him,

but we thought,

"There, his dad was out there with him.

Surely, they told him

that they were down there."

So we thought all this time

that they already knew.

If deemed credible, it's more damning

than even the DNA evidence, you know.

I mean, the last person to be

in the presence of these three victims.

By denying that occurred, rather than

offering any explanation of it,

it's awfully powerful stuff.

DOUGLAS:
These people here

were never interviewed.

They were just neighbors of Hobbs.

Hobbs wasn't interviewed.

Didn't do a neighborhood.

They'll swear on a stack of Bibles

that they saw Terry Hobbs

with the three children around 6:30.

I don't know how many years

before anybody had asked me

anything about it too.

D'LESLl:

You say you were not ever alone

on the night of May 5th

and the morning of May 6th,

and yet David Jacoby

says you left his house twice, alone.

What Jacoby has told us so far

is that it could be two hours where

Terry Hobbs can't be accounted for.

D'LESLIE:
I'm saying that you

don't have an alibi witness

for two to two and a half hours

on the evening of the murders.

From 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m.

I don't know.

Does that concern you? No.

"TERRY". Hello? Hey.

Had me a visitor today.

John, what's...? John Douglas?

John's the FBI.

Ah... What'd he say?

There's a bunch of discrepancies

on where I said where we're at

and where you say we were at,

and it just...

I don't give a sh*t what them people

got to say

about where I was at

and what time I was there.

We don't have to answer

to them people.

David is his primary alibi,

and what he has done in the past,

he's fed information to David,

putting them together.

JACOBY:
I don't know, from

what I said and what you said

and what they're telling me,

6:
30 to 9:30's really f***ed up.

TERRY:
Six-thirty to nine-thirty.

I don't know what they're playing...

We rode around

looking for three little boys.

We got out and we did a little walking,

looking for three little boys.

I went and picked my wife up

at 9:
00.

"Where did you ride around,

Mr. Hobbs?" West Memphis.

What'? You was with me, David.

You remember that?

DOUGLAS:
Jacoby is starting to

realize that he was being set up

by Terry Hobbs as an alibi.

"TERRY".

Well, we know we didn't do it, okay?

The police know who done it,

and they're sitting in prison.

At the time, I wasn't looking

for three murdered kids.

I was helping my friend

look for his kid

and who happened to be

with another kid

who happened to be

with another kid.

So I mean, and what upsets me is...

Yeah.

I gotta stop with the camera,

here it goes.

It just gets me that he didn't

come back, you know? F***.

Why do you not come back

to your friend's house to help you

if you can't find your kid?

Yeah.

I stopped myself from saying

that he did it,

you know, in all these years.

I've actually, you know,

said he couldn't...

It gets to the point, I'd give my

life to know the f***ing truth.

F***ing Terry.

But I've been that little kid,

you know?

You been that step...? That stepchild?

That stepkid, yeah.

That gets his ass whupped

at the drop of a hat for...

You know, for something

somebody else's done.

And you catch what's

built up from everybody else.

And that, I felt that with Stevie.

I mean, like with the marbles.

He's throwing marbles

and bouncing them off the wall.

Terry is telling him,

"I'm gonna bust your ass. Quit."

Stevie, I'm gonna bust your ass.

Stevie, quit.

"Stevie, quit. I'm gonna tell you

one more time, Stevie."

And, you know, you just want...

You wanna get that last marble.

And Stevie's looking like that

last marble's fixing to come again,

and I said, you know, "Sit down, let me

show you how we played marbles."

And it got Terry, you know,

off of him, and...

Terry hated him.

What he did to him

to make him hate him, I don't know.

Stevie was scared of Terry.

He was hid in the closet, and I asked

him why he was hid in a closet.

You know, he had

a mishap in his underwear

and Daddy Terry would whip him.

And one time he had thrown him

against the wall.

DOUGLAS:
I do not believe

the homicide was planned.

This person responsible for the murders

lost control and had to kill them.

They were already heading that way, and

he said, "Get back down to the house."

And they passed him,

they were laughing and playing.

We thought it was a normal day.

It was things we saw them do

all the time.

D'LESLl:
You were not angry in the sense

that you become physically abusive?

Correct.

These young boys were overpowered.

D'LESLl:
You do not fly into rages?

Correct.

And you do not beat your children?

Never.

If he was capable of doing this,

and I can almost picture it,

that he freaked out, and the other

two boys being there, um...

They've got skull fractures,

they've got brain injuries.

If it had been an accident,

the Terry Hobbs that I know,

no, I don't think that he would say

that, "I accidentally did this."

"I'm sorry," and turn himself in for it.

BADEN:
These children were alive until

they inhaled water and drowned.

To do what he did to the children,

hide the clothing, hide the children,

he got in water, got muddy.

DAVISON:
There's been some

discussion about you doing laundry

the evening of the 5th

or the morning of the 6th.

Recall that? It didn't happen.

DAVISON:
You didn't do laundry?

TERRY:
No.

I saw him cleaning.

I saw him washing clothes.

I saw him in Stevie's room.

I mean, he had bleach and everything

and was cleaning.

I had never seen Terry

clean anything

the whole time I had known him.

When he took me to work, I believe

Terry changed into a purple tank top,

a pair of shorts

and his LA Gear tennis shoes.

He's muddy,

he has to change his clothing.

When he picked me up from work,

he was in blue jeans

and flannel top shirt on.

DOUGLAS:
He has to get prepared

and wait to be interviewed.

D'LESLl:
And you have a dispute with every

single one of your alibi witnesses.

If you put

all of these statements together,

and all the evidence together

that I've just run through,

and you're the police,

wouldn't you wanna look

at Terry Hobbs for this murder?

You'd have to look

at Terry Hobbs.

From an investigative perspective,

it solidifies Terry Hobbs

as the principal suspect.

It's gonna be tough

for someone like him to confess.

If he is in fact the guy,

it's extremely tough.

He's had 18 years to think about it.

He's got an answer for everything.

You throw him a pitch, he's got it.

You know, he knows how to hit it.

The attorney general's office

has taken the position

that not only should these

wrongly convicted young men

not have the opportunity

to prove their innocence,

but that no one ever in Arkansas

be given that opportunity

on the grounds that Arkansas

is incapable

of ever convicting anyone wrongly.

It's one thing to build perception

that there's something wrong.

It's another thing to get

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