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What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy Page #4
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all those parts of the German people
were working together
in the annihilation of the Jews for instance.
Well, I think, I don't... I don't agree with you
because I have to swear they protested
and my father protested
even to Hitler that is impossible
and how to and he...
His fault was that he believed
that Hitler would change his politics.
In our conversations we've touched on
what you've uncovered about your father,
he ran for example the transportation system
that shifted people to concentration camps
and to their death.
And yet you've resisted in our conversations
ever acknowledging that he himself
is somehow guilty for what happened.
Because it's his character.
I mean, I don't know about transportation
but when the Jewish ghetto
in Lemberg was established
ifs written down below his name,
General-Governor Wchter,
but it's only signed by SS fuehrer...
So my father refused to sign this.
That's ridiculous Horst.
If he has not signed some document
but it happened, it happened.
Do you remember, I showed you a letter
that was sent by Heinrich Himmler
and in the letter Himmler writes
that he asked your father
whether your father would like
to return to Vienna.
They weren't sure whether your father was
fully committed to what was about to happen
and Himmler wrote,
"Victor does not wish to return to Vienna,"
in other words,
he would stay and see through
what he knew was being done.
Can you explain what...
Yes, he had no choice.
He couldn't react like he himself felt
and he was just, hmm,
making, hmm...
He was just employee of his father,
you see, but...
But he chose to stay, he could have gone.
Yes, but he felt responsible for the people.
Well for some of the people.
Yes, for some... For some he could do.
From the first moment he was very close
with the Ukrainians,
with the Galician division
do something positive.
Why, Niklas, did you introduce me to Horst?
- it was a trick.
- No, when we had our first conversation,
in this beautiful hotel,
as a lawyer for sure he was always
in the best hotel available.
(AUDIENCE LAUGHING)
And, hmm, I told him
we came across Otto Wchter,
and I told him I am a friend of Horst Wchter,
his son is a very nice person.
And you said, "What? You are a friend
of this family and of Horst Wchter?"
I think you will like him, you will like him.
I had nothing to hide
or I did nothing that
you shouldn't know about my father.
And my, yeah, family was very angry.
And still angry.
- And still angry, OK.
Do you regret that we're sitting here
- in an audience today?
- Yes, of course.
What do you want this audience to take away
from this conversation?
What's the message
that you want to leave them?
Well, I think there are many victims
of the holocaust in sitting here
and I want them to have a more concern,
more survey about how things were
and they were,
that there were many different, hmm,
and, hmm, it was not just like a block
like he wants it to be.
There had been many people
who were against this
but that's what I want you to acknowledge
and that's why I'm thankful I can say this
and I think its not...
It's my duty but it's also my right
and it should be said, I mean,
and then that I'm very happy.
Lady over there.
I love my father,
um, and I honor my father
but as far as I'm aware my father has
done nothing to be ashamed of.
Um, and I don't know what it must be like
growing up with a heritage
like both of you have.
I must however say, Horst,
that I think a lot of your arguments
are so extraneous
to the main facts of the issue
to be actually so self-deceiving,
I find it rather frightening.
All this rubbish about Ukrainians,
that's extraneous to the issue.
OK, so...
So that's a clear view that's been put.
Yes, I accept. I accept the view
and I think I can understand it.
It's only related between the relations
between me and my father
and what I turned out to be with my father
and that's what I say.
Nik's father sounds to me like
the most horrible father
and you don't come from
a happily married family or anything like that.
You had a happier childhood, is that not,
is it too simple?
Yes, it must have been
something very important
because, hmm,
I was much embedded in the family
and I'm very proud that I had this childhood.
Niklas?
I won't say that I had an unhappy childhood.
As a Prince of Poland
I was really very well off,
the best toys you can imagine.
Hi,
I've got a question for Horst.
You say that your father didn't sign the paper
and that's why you won't condemn him,
if his signature was on it,
would you condemn him?
What would it take? What proof would it take
for you to condemn your dad?
Yes, I would have condemned him, of course.
Yeah, but if he had signed?
you're taking refuge in the fact
that there are not in existence
"And today I will kill 15,000 Jews"?
If you were presented
with such a piece of paper,
would your position be any different
in terms of saying
as a son you have a duty
to defend your father?
Of course it would be different but it...
It would be different
but I cannot imagine that one paper exists.
My father did everything
what he could do to save the population
and my father is now... In his days
there were difficulties between Ukrainians
As we met in the Purcell Room
Ukraine was engaged in its own struggle
as to whether it would look east
towards Russia
or west towards the European Union.
Some of the protesters
voiced an age old hatred of Russia
and for that, they and the group as a whole,
which included writers, students and human-rights activists
were accused of being fascists and nee-Nazis.
R was as if the past had returned
to haunt the present
because there's a link between
contemporary events in the Ukraine
and the period when Hurst's father
was in charge of district Galicia.
(BAND PLAYING)
(MAN SPEAKING GERMAN)
This is where Horst's father
was based in what's now called Lviv,
the Germans call it Lemberg,
the Poles know it as Lww.
The city's name reflects the changes
in the region and the tensions.
The city is at the heart of this story
because the killings that link
the three of us, me, Niklas and Horst
are the events of August 1942'
the Grossaktion, as it's called
when the Jewish population
was almost entirely exterminated.
Before 1942 this city was an important
center of Jewish life,
a life that's now totally vanished.
This was my grandfathers hometown.
What I hadn't appreciated was how large
a family my grandfather had left behind,
in fact there was a vast family'
more than 80 individuals
and I didn't know that of those 80
who were alive in 1939
he was the only one still alive in 1945.
The building that we're in
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