What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy Page #6
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It's the point
because they continue everywhere
and we have no means to stop them,
we have to accept them.
Well, that's where you and I disagree,
that's where you and I disagree.
I think.
There are things that can be done
to stop things from happening and it's about
in part individual responsibility.
It's where you and I. You and I disagree.
We have this small... We are smaller...
Just like points in the whole history.
It's like the soldiers who fought here,
they can't stand up and say,
"Oh, I don't want to fight. "
They... They would be executed immediately.
So there's no option
but to kill and carry on killing?
There are options... I mean, there's other ways
which are in your power to do something.
But this was inevitable.
- Your father had no option.
- For him he had no option
to change this thing.
And because it was inevitable
he had no responsibility?
Well, that's a difficult question,
about responsibility.
Well, I don't think that he...
He ordered to burn down this room.
I mean this, hmm, I refuse to say that
he gave orders to burn down here.
Pam...
I don't see my father in here, I mean...
I can't see walking, my father here,
around here with his uniform
and saying, "Oh, well... Well done"
and things like that.
I can't see him like this.
It's done.
But you.
I mean, in this room you have to have ideas,
great ideas, I'm not pessimistic,
and you have to see,
building this up and...
Because for me this is built for eternity,
you can see the enormous walls there.
The columns, the thickness, and for me
this idea is much stronger
than destroyed surfaces.
300 years filled
with people and singing and prayer and life
and color and hair and jewellery.
- Yes, that is my...
- And it's all gone.
- It all went in a single day.
- No, it's not gone.
It's still there.
It isn't gone because that is my main
interest, why I agreed to come here,
to go back to 300 years ago,
not be stuck in what happened 70 years ago.
It'll never be...
it'll never be filled again, this place.
You don't know.
Maybe it'll, I'm not so pessimistic than you.
Ah...
This will be filled up.
I can tell you because it's so great
that this period will be gone
and there will be a new period coming up
which can, hmm.
Can see it again, now it's,
hmm, only a few people who can see this.
But I think... I can see it.
See, I don't want to get stuck somewhere.
Full of shame and full of...
Full of...
I'm proud to be here.
the last Shabbat celebration before they all
were killed.
What if they talked to each other?
"How can we hide?
How can we go into the woods?"
or "Do we have any relatives who can hide us
somewhere in the countryside?"
All this kind of stuff, always running
through my brain... The only thing.
And this makes me furious
and I will never forgive this.
So it was the synagogue
of my family.
- Yeah?
- Yeah.
- This was...
- Here your family was?
Yeah.
- You didn't know that?
- No.
You always ask me what about my feeling,
you know,
what's your feeling standing here in this
synagogue where your family used to be?
It's a very heavy feeling.
- It's a very, very heavy feeling.
- What means heavy?
It means that my imagination
is running very strongly.
I imagine the moment in July, 1941,
that the Germans came into the town,
and like you, I imagine the fear,
the mayhem and the certainty
that they knew what was coming
because they had contacts with Vienna
and with Germany and they knew
what was on its way,
and so for me it boils down to a number of
individuals that I never met.
I don't even have photographs
of these people.
Nothing, nothing remains, nothing,
but this would have been the place...
Yeah, where they would have been
the last time you have heard about this,
about those family? When...
My grandfather never talked to me about it.
- He refused to talk to me about it.
- You also didn't dare to ask.
I didn't dare to ask.
So, and when they perished,
so they were still living around here
using this synagogue.
Yes, well, the synagogue was burnt down
in July '41.
The ghetto was created, hmm, in the autumn
and they lived in the ghetto in '42
and they were then rounded up,
taken to a wood, where there were sand pits
that were used to repair the road
from Zolkiew to Lemberg
and they put a plank at the end of the sand pit
and each of the 3,500 walked along the plank,
they were shot and they fell in.
But the story doesn't end there.
That's a kilometer from where we are
standing now, they're still there.
Nothing's changed'
All the bodies are in the spot
that we are going to right now.
This our fathers did.
Nothing has been moved.
- Horst, you've seen the date over here?
Yeah.
The 25th of March, 1943.
So I'm afraid there is no escaping
that this action took place on the territory
and with the support of your father.
And it contains 3,500 people.
Including my family.
Recognize it.
It's also the responsibility
of my father in first,
but your father was as well involved
in this horrible crime.
Here in this place.
Please.
He was involved in the system I know,
this is why we're here.
The system was very, very obstructive.
- This is...
- I never...
...the place of a mass killing,
our fathers have been responsible for.
I want to have the exact date and who were,
was responsible,
who was present here and the name
of the police officers and I will.
Why you always want to flee?
I dont want to flee.
I want to see the...
The reality.
And we are standing in the midst of a death,
There must be tens of thousands of Austrians
lying around here.
But, Horst, we're not talking...
We're talking about these 3,500 people.
I see all of them around here,
it's not only those.
Well, I'm talking about these.
I'm asking you to focus on these people
who on the 25th of March, 1943,
walked from the place
where we have just been to this place,
with the support of the auxiliary police
under your father's authority.
They were made to walk
to the end of the plank,
each person got a single bullet to the head
and they are in there now.
There's simply no escaping
the issue of responsibility.
Not your responsibility,
never your responsibility.
The responsibility of Otto von Wchter.
There is no escaping,
you simply cannot run away from it.
You are confronted here with the reality.
And then I want the exact following
of the orders
from the smallest soldier
up to the civil government.
Do you know who paid the salary
of the auxiliary police?
Your father.
That was paid by your father.
He signed off on it,
that's called command responsibility.
Doesn't matter
who did the individual act of killing,
doesn't matter who put the individual
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