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What Our Fathers Did: A Nazi Legacy Page #7
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bullet in, doesn't matter.
Well, it matters for me.
Yeah, but as a matter of moral responsibility
and as a matter of legal responsibility
it's totally irrelevant. Totally irrelevant.
He signed off on everything.
Well, he wouldn't have
signed much coming here.
These people I think...
I see this as a battlefield, you see,
because at the beginning
of the first war in 1914
there were these big battles
and the soil was full of blood.
There have been so many killings going on.
The annual commemoration of
Otto von Wchter's Waffen SS Galicia division
created by him in 1943 includes a ceremony
to rebury newly discovered remains
of German and Ukrainian soldiers
who fell in the fields near this chapel.
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
So am I right in thinking the historical role
of the division
remains important today in modern Ukraine?
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
We hear Putin say that Ukraine
is full of the fascists and Nazis.
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
Why are you wearing this swastika?
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
- Now?
- Now, yes, he used this.
19th of February.
19th of February.
Yes.
You don't feel if you have... Wear this helmet,
you don't feel like a German soldier
in the memory of the SS?
You don't feel ashamed knowing exactly
what happened under the swastika?
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
Did he ever see
Otto von Wchter speak?
(SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
If he was to meet the son of Wchter,
what would he say to the son of Wchter?
(WOMAN TRANSLATING IN UKRAINIAN)
So can I present him to the son of...
Horst von Wchter.
Well I must say this day
was the best day for me
because so many people wanted to
shake my hands
because of my father
and saying he was a decent man
and that's all what I want, nothing else.
(WOMAN SPEAKING UKRAINIAN)
How you would like to introduce yourself
beyond your name?
My name is...
For sure he is an apologist
for the actions of his father.
What still have in mind,
maybe also in his heart
is a picture of a wonderful man
who tried the best for the Ukrainians
and it's just a lie.
He is not accepting that his father
was involved in mass murder.
He should know better.
I really despise him like my lather.
In my opinion Horst will become
a new Nazi in the end.
That is serious.
Not so serious
because he's an old man like me,
so he can't do
only some damage around with his friends
and so...
But not in the... Really not in the public,
but I don't know exactly if they started
for public events, delivering a speech,
showing the pictures,
this, the Austrians really would like.
How far does Horst have to go
for you to say I can no longer
have a relationship with this man?
just my decision and I give him last
email to say that's not...
For me not endurable any more.
Do you... Do you think Horst is a Nazi?
Yes.
Now I would admit he is really a Nazi.
Well, I think that Nik,
hmm, is an egotistic maniac,
he's just focused on his father, you know,
and he makes his father most criminal being
on Earth and so on.
But it's because it's his father,
it's only because it's his father
otherwise he wouldn't do this, you know.
For me, his life is practically
annihilated b y his father.
When my father fled in 1945,
he went with the last members
of his government,
his adjutant and his secretary and the cook
to this house.
There he was arrested,
the last room on the right-hand side
was his so called...
(SPEAKING GERMAN)
his religious room or something like this
and there he had hanged all the paintings,
this Leonardo Da Vinci, two Rembrandts,
one Raphael, they are the most famous four.
I found it all my life, I found it very crazy
that my father was sitting in this small house
in the end waiting
to be arrested from the Americans
and there were
American soldiers who some days before
had liberated camp of the...
Dachau concentration camp outside,
have seen all the corpses
and say I have heard
that the Butcher of Poland
which was his nickname all his life.
The butcher?
The Butcher of Poland,
hmm, was arriving
and so I've beaten him up heavily
so he tried twice to commit suicide,
but he didn't succeed.
He was brought to a hospital
and then prison and then it was over.
He wrote in a letter,
hmm, to us whenever we came we should
go over to this little chapel to pray for him.
I never did it.
Does it ever make you
want to cry though
when you come back to a place like this?
No, never.
- You've never cried about him?
- No.
Does that not seem... Does that not seem
strange, he was your father?
He wasn't my father.
He was your father.
Biologically, but not...
So in the real trial like it was in Nuremberg,
hmm, I don't think that my father
would have been condemned...
I don't think so because, hmm,
who would have speak...
Spoken up against him?
Hmm, maybe it would only be, hmm, Jews,
because of the holocaust,
but the SS took all things
which concerning Jews on their side.
Horst's father Otto von Wchter
was indicted for mass murder
but died in 1949 under the protection
of the Vatican.
He was never tried and that allows Horst
to take refuge in his own long view of history.
This is my grandfather,
Joseph von Wchter,
General of the, hmm,
Imperial Army in the first war.
Two times he prevented the Russian Army
to break through the Austrian lines in Galicia
where we've been around Kiev.
My father expressly wrote that
he wants to continue
what my grandfather did there
and he chose at the moment he...
He knew that he was going to Galicia,
my father chose his coat of arm as a
crusade order so this fighting crusade
mentality is somewhere in the family.
The man who built this castle
was a crusader connected with the Templars.
And the ground plan corresponds
to the temple in Jerusalem.
(CHUCKLES) I feel like a descendant of Aaron.
I read the definition of a Jew,
a Jew is somebody
who makes service in the temple.
And then I said I would be a real Jew here.
There's an image from Krakow
ghetto footage that I can't get out of my mind.
You see a time girl,
she's wearing a beautiful red dress
and I look at that girl
and I think of my own children.
I think of my own family,
I think of my grandfather's family
and I imagine if he had been in that ghetto
he wouldn't have left
and I wouldn't be here today.
We're all prone to feelings of group loyalty,
a sort of tribal instinct
We tend to see people as victim
or perpetrator. as us or them,.
I understand that tribal instinct
and indeed I feel it myself
when I see that girl in the red dress.
But as a lawyer I've learnt to mistrust
being swayed by such feelings,
to try to avoid a tribal instinct when it comes
to dealing with issues of justice.
That's one of the reasons we have courts.
those four great nations,
flushed with victory and stung with injury
stay the hand of vengeance
and voluntarily submit their captive enemies
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