Deliver Us from Evil Page #5

Somebody has represented

to the police,

in the middle

of their active investigation,

that they are going to transfer O'Grady

out of the parish...

That he will be working

only with adults

and away from children,

and Monsignor Cain has denied

that he was possessed

of that knowledge.

Under oath.

You were the captain of the ship,

the bishop of the diocese,

the ordinary in charge.

Who else, if you weren't

possessed of this knowledge

and Monsignor Cain wasn't

possessed of this knowledge,

do you think could have been,

knowing the way the diocese works

or at least worked in 1984?

I just have no idea of knowing.

I don't know.

I know that Monsignor Cain

knew that last sentence existed,

he certainly would have said something.

He would not have just let us go ahead

and move him to San Andreas.

I know that.

So I don't know who...

When they say

"This unit was advised,"

I don't know who they're referring to.

I have no idea.

To quote the cardinal's

appointment letter, he put him in

"full care of the souls

of that parish in California. "

This... it would have been the first time

that I had the total responsibility

for a parish.

Up to that time,

I was an associate.

It was again working out

in a nice, nice way for him

that another situation

had been smoothly handled.

Do you remember receiving this letter

from Father O'Grady?

I don't remember it, but I recall...

You know, you showed it to me.

I presume I received it.

Okay. Next sentence states,

"I would like to write to you

as one of the first persons

to whom I owe a great deal of gratitude. "

Period.

"I sincerely thank you

"for all that you have done for me

in the past few months. "

What did you think

he was referring to there

when he made that statement?

Nothing in particular. I thought

this was a overly effusive letter.

I didn't really have

that much relations...

personal relationship with him.

He was not a priest

that I would golf with

or have dinner with

or anything else,

so he was, I think,

quite flowery and effusive, basically.

I honestly don't know.

As I say, when I first...

when I saw this again,

and I suspect the time when I got it,

it's just an overly effusive letter

that...

Next paragraph states, quote,

"I am particularly grateful to you

for your sensitivity to me

and my needs at this time. "

What did you think

he referred to there?

I don't remember.

Really, as I say,

I just found the whole letter

terribly overstated,

and I imagine at the time

I read it cursorily

and filed it after...

It probably would have then...

I didn't answer it for some time.

I didn't feel it was...

it was important or...

I have no idea.

At this point, looking back

at this 12 years ago,

I can't remember what I thought

when I read this letter.

When I read this,

I was just very puzzled.

I couldn't imagine

what he was referring to.

I just didn't...

I personally didn't pay

that much attention to it.

You'll notice I didn't answer it

till almost three weeks later.

What Cardinal Mahony did is,

he picked his own career,

and he picked power and glory

over the children.

It's like the scene in the Gospel

where it says that Satan took Christ

to the top of a mountain,

and showed Him

all the cities of the world

and all the glory over the world,

and said, "This all can be yours

if you'll just sit and bow down

and worship me. "

I think that's what Cardinal Mahony did.

It was the only thing he could do

to keep his status,

and ultimately be exalted

to cardinal as he was,

not two years later.

To be married in the Church,

the Catholic Church,

you go through a series of classes

with the priest that you're dealing with.

In our case, it was Oliver O'Grady.

Those classes,

from what I've heard now,

run between six and seven weeks,

or six or seven sessions.

My wife and I went in for our classes.

We met with the...

with O'Grady one time.

He found out that I was

in law enforcement,

and determined

that we did not need

any more further marital training,

and signed us off,

and we were able to get married

in the Catholic Church

with Oliver O'Grady presiding

at our wedding.

And he was the priest

for one of the churches

that encompassed half the county,

so he played a major role

in a lot of people's lives,

a lot of families

in Calaveras County.

He's admitted that he spent

as much time grooming victims

as he did being a priest,

and he was a priest for over 30 years,

spending every waking hour

planning abuse, executing abuse,

thinking about abuse.

So 365 days a year times 30.

He has so many victims,

I don't think he can keep track,

and I think it's in the hundreds.

How young are the molested kids?

One's what, three months, nine months?

That was his youngest victim.

Right.

You know, nine months.

Nine months.

To abuse an infant,

I mean, you really...

Part of what people have to do

when they're talking about this...

and it's so hard,

and no one wants to do it...

is to really try to walk through

and picture a grown man

inserting... forcing his penis

into the vagina of a baby.

Oliver, have you ever been diagnosed

with a disassociative disorder?

I'm sure I fit the category

of a lot of disorders.

Whatever they are,

you name that, I'll jump.

I'm not trying to be flippant here.

And I am. I'm sorry.

That's okay, but what

I'm trying to say is,

has anybody ever told you

you may disassociate from events?

I'm sure they have.

Okay.

Is it...

I mean, to me, as a lay person,

when you molest somebody,

it's sort of black and white:

Either you do or you don't.

What I get from you, Oliver, is,

in some instances,

you're not sure

if you molested people.

Correct.

Do you think that's

because it didn't happen,

or do you think that's because,

either to deal with the trauma yourself,

or to justify it or deal with guilt,

whatever the malady you had was,

do you maybe be disassociating

from the reality

of what actually occurred?

- I think that would be accurate, yes.

- Okay.

He's a very dangerous man,

and an aggressive, assaultive person,

who apparently would do anything

to get to his victims,

including having sex

with their parents.

When I was little,

I was always talking to everybody.

And I feel like I had a lot of...

more hope in me than doubt.

I'm sure you could ask

all my teachers, and they'd go,

"Yeah. Smart guy.

I don't know what happened to him. "

O'Grady saw an easy mark in us

because we're brought up...

I was brought up Catholic,

so automatically you see

a guy with a collar on,

you automatically trust him.

So he moved right in,

and Becky fell

hook, line and sinker.

You know, he was the wolf,

and I was the gatekeeper,

and I let the wolf through the gate.

That's what it's always

felt like to me, you know?

And to know that you could be...

that I could be so wrong.

I mean, how wrong

could I have been?

I mean, to be so horribly wrong...

was absolutely devastating.

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