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from all the Founding Fathers.

There are a lot of quotes

that explicitly say

we're not a Christian nation.

And Jefferson's

a particularly interesting case.

Didn't he write his own Bible

which divorced the New Testament

from what he considered

the unnecessary magic,

bells and whistles?

He took the Gospels,

took out all of Jesus's miracles

and took out

all of Jesus's statements

that claimed divinity,

and put out a new book called

"The Faith and Moral Teachings

of Jesus of Nazareth."

We tend to lionize these guys

and think of them all

as the 12 Apostles

plus the Founding Fathers,

like they're in the same

club or something.

When in fact,

these men understood very well

that there was a difference

between being Christian

and being American.

- Right.

- In Jefferson's age, fewer people went

to church less often.

Do you think that there

are a lot of people

who feel the way you do,

but are afraid to speak out?

Absolutely. Are you kidding?

Yes, I think it is

the great untapped minority

in this country.

In the last survey,

I think it was 16% of Americans

who now say they are

absolutely unaffiliated

with any religion,

don't want to be in a religion,

just don't go near me

with religion.

a huge minority.

It's bigger than Jews,

blacks, homosexuals,

NRA members,

lots of people you could name

who have lobbies

that get everything they want

or are at least are in the debate.

You want me to kinda angle

like this or straight ahead?

Just as natural as possible to Bill.

So you've described yourself

as an Evangelical Christian.

You did a campaign ad where you said

the most important lessons in life

are in this book right here,

meaning the Bible.

Everyone in politics likes

to brag that they're a person of faith.

Why is faith good?

Faith has a way

of softening people.

For example, if you look at the

teachings of Jesus, he's very forgiving.

He also said,

"If a man doesn't abide in me,

he is cast forth

as a branch and withers,

and the branches are gathered,

thrown into the fire and burned."

Right. So?

I do think, 'cause I'm a Christian,

that Jesus is the way

to be reconciled.

And I do believe

the actual literacy of that story.

We'll let God sort out all the details

of that on Judgment Day.

What about

the 10 Commandments?

So many politicians talk

about the 10 Commandments.

Are they really the 10 most

- important moral...

- Are these the 10 suggestions?

The 10 recommendations?

But it's not really a wide list of 10.

The first four are all

about just worshipping God

and basically that he's a jealous God,

and he doesn't want you

to have any other gods.

The only two that are really laws

are don't steal and don't kill.

Why is this the wisest group of 10?

It doesn't include child abuse.

It doesn't include don't torture.

It doesn't include

a lot of things... rape...

that I think if we were

making a list today,

we would probably include.

Society is so different today

and our culture is

so radically different today.

That's what I'm asking.

We're in a different culture.

Can you think of anything else that

we still cleave to from the Bronze Age?

Well...

Basically, murder is against the law

in every country in the world.

But wouldn't we have come

to that even without religion?

Don't you think people would

have gotten together and said,

"You know what?

Let's not slaughter each other

- and not take each other's stuff."

- I don't know.

There's been more killing

in the name of "My God."

You think maybe sort of indigously

or just by our DNA,

we somehow know that killing

another person is wrong?

I'm not sure that that's the case.

Really, you need God

to decide not to kill each other?

Well, you can look back

at more primitive cultures,

and they were constantly at war.

We are now, among industrialized,

modern nations,

the most religious nation.

A recent study found that

among 32 countries,

more people in this country

doubted evolution

than any other country on that list,

except, I think, it was Turkey.

In the US,

we have freedom of religion.

I think most of the countries on

that list do have freedom of religion.

Well, that's interesting.

Do you believe in evolution?

You know my... I don't know.

Clearly the scientific community's

a little divided

on some of the specifics

of that and I understand that.

- I don't think they are.

- No no... well...

I think they pretty much agree.

I don't know how it all happened.

I'm certainly willing to accept

the scientific premise.

It couldn't possibly

have been Adam and Eve

and a garden, could it?

Well, it could've

possibly been that.

Come on.

See, this is my problem.

I mean, you're a senator.

You are one

of the very few people

who are really

running this country.

It worries me that people are

running my country who think...

who believe

in a talking snake.

You don't have to pass an IQ test

to be in the Senate, though.

As you first come

into the Creation Museum,

there's going to be a sense

of "This is something really big."

This is something awe-inspiring,

something great here.

We can answer the questions

of the skeptics

that attack

the Bible's history.

We admit that we start

from the Bible here

to teach them how to think.

Really, in a nutshell,

we're saying, the Bible's true

from Genesis to Revelation.

We're building the whole place

for about $27 million.

I have many people say to me,

"As a Christian,

can't you believe in evolution?"

I say, "Well, you got a problem.

God made a man and a woman."

If you believe in evolution, the woman

had to come from an ape woman.

All right,

but you're so damned ugly.

This is what we call the main hall

here. Immediately, people see

dinosaurs and people together,

which is very different

to the idea of the evolutionists

who say dinosaurs died out

and so they didn't live with humans.

They see an animatronic

dinosaur over here.

Two animatronic baby T-Rexes

and two animatronic children.

It's basically just to give people

a wow factor as they come in here.

How to share your faith

effectively and Biblically,

to be able to reason

with people,

learn to circumnavigate

or go around

the person's intellect.

There's plenty of people who

would say, "Well, it's just my faith."

But that's not good enough

for you. You say, "No.

We can basically

reconcile the science

with what's in Genesis."

We're an organization that...

to put it in a nutshell...

is telling people that

the Bible's history is true,

its history beginning

in Genesis.

Scientists line up

overwhelmingly

on one side of this issue.

It would have to be

an enormous conspiracy

going on between scientists

of all different disciplines

in all different countries

to have such a consensus.

That doesn't move you?

No, not at all, because from

a Biblical perspective,

I understand why the majority

would not agree with the truth.

Man is a sinner.

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