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- Thank you so much

for having me.

I really appreciate it.

I guess I'd like to start off

By saying that

the best indicator

For telling the future

is to look at the present

And to understand

how the past informs

On the present.

So, for example,

A major security threat

is internet filtering

And censorship,

and several people

On this panel represent

companies that

During the revolution,

they censored the internet

Quite heavily.

Most respectfully,

Te data blocking twitter.

I was actually accessing

computer networks

From the United States

that were located here in egypt,

And now you look

at the pamphlets around here,

You see that

the companies at ict,

And I mean this

with all due respect,

Are saying that they powered

the revolution.

What they actually powered

was the regime,

And now that the regime

has fallen,

They want to exploit

the revolution

For corporate profits.

- Jacob,

can you define censorship

In your terminology?

- Absolutely.

So, censorship in this case

restricting access

To a particular website.

I had a list of all of

the servers that twitter runs,

And all but two of them

were blocked by te data,

And this meant that twitter

was not able to be used.

yeah.

But specifically,

I have data...

- It's extremely dangerous

to talk with

Inaccurate information

in such matters.

Oh, I have accurate data.

So, I mean, we could also talk

about the propaganda

Sms sent by the mobile

phone providers.

We can get to that later.

I have data-

Independent data from egyptians

and I gathered myself,

So while it might be dangerous

to have this conversation,

I'm happy to talk about it,

because it's truthful.

For example,

did someone hold a gun

To the heads

of your engineers and said,

"block these sites"?

Because noor

did not do this blocking.

The noor isp did not do this.

So why did te data collaborate

with the mubarak regime

And block these sites

and try to stop the revolution?

- Jacob-

- you want to build the future?

Will you agree to stand

against all censorship

Will you abide by

the egyptian constitution?

- I ask you-wait, wait.

Please.

I ask you right now,

since you're here.

Every person-

vodafone, nokia,

Who collaborates

with the iranian dictators

And apparently mubarak

for a year.

So I'd like to know,

will you all agree to stand

Against censorship

on the internet

And to abide by

the egyptian constitution?

Will you do it? Vodafone?

Is that a yes?

- Just a minute, please.

- Will you agree

to stand against censorship?

- I will come back-jacob,

will come back to the panel.

- He's got the microphone.

I'd just like to ask-

- Jacob, I will come back

to the panel.

- It's okay.

He can say "yes,"

Because he believes in the right

of the egyptian people.

- We'll come back to the panel.

We have a question there.

Okay.

- These remarkable

trove of documents

That have been released

in the last year.

The iraq war logs,

The afghanistan war logs,

And the u. S. State department

documents.

Why does it matter so much?

- It has been

my long-term belief

That what advances us

as a civilization

Is the entirety

of our understanding.

What human institutions

are actually like.

And at the moment,

we are severely lacking

In the information from big,

secretive organizations

That have such a role

in shaping how we all live.

Institutions-

the most powerful institutions,

From the cia

to news corporation,

Are all organized

using technical young people.

What does that mean,

when all those

Technical young people

adopt a certain value system,

And that they are

in an institution

Where they do not agree

with the value system.

And yet, actually, their hands

are on the machinery.

Light them all up.

Come on, fire.

Roger.

- Manning is being held

in solitary confinement

And is stripped naked

each night before bed.

- Ultimately, the treatment

of private manning,

Who has yet

to be brought to trial,

That are now making it up

to the president.

- With respect

to private manning,

I have actually

asked the pentagon

Whether or not the procedures

that have been taken

In terms of his confinement

are appropriate

And are meeting

our basic standards.

They assure me that they are.

Hi. How are you?

Did you see the news?

I'm just actually in the car

with dan ellsberg and laura.

I'll put you on.

Julian, hi.

It's outrageous that

this court-martial

Is continuing given

the president's proclamation

That he's guilty already.

It's impossible to get

a fair military trial.

Here you go.

Did you get all that?

Oh, my god, we're driving

past the pentagon.

- Just in brief, they said

that they found an al-qaeda

Operative in afghanistan's

computer that had

The wikileaks afghan documents

downloaded onto it.

They showed a video

of al-qaeda's media service

Showing an al-qaeda leader

talking about jihad

And how they ought

to use wikileaks

In their efforts towards jihad,

And the argument

they're making is that

Manning has-by providing

information to wikileaks,

Has materially aided

the enemy, because

By posting it on the internet,

Wikileaks is providing

information to the enemy,

To terrorist organizations.

It was unbelievable.

The whole-

it was just-

We were sitting there thinking,

"are they serious?"

And it even says,

"the free internet

Is a tool for jihad. "

- The authority said they had

concerns about his safety

And the fact he might

commit suicide.

Now, there's been condemnation

from around the world,

An investigation

by the un's torture investigator

Into those conditions,

But the military

and the u. S. Government

Is continuing

to press this case.

The most serious charge

is one of aiding the enemy.

Now, prosecutors in this case

have said they

Won't seek the death penalty,

so if found guilty,

He would face

life in prison.

there he is.

He's smiling.

- When I was 20,

my first court case,

My two co-defendants

both ratted me

Out to the police

under pressure.

And they both became, um...

Crown witnesses.

Um...

And I refused,

under principle.

And-but it's not that

I didn't think about it.

Um, I don't believe in martyrs,

I don't think.

Some very rare exceptions,

that people should be martyrs,

But I think people

should certainly take risks.

Understand carefully

what the risks are

And what the opportunities

for the situation are,

And make sure these

are in balance.

Um, sometimes, the risk

can be very high,

But the opportunity

can also be extremely high,

And by opportunity I mean

For things that you care about.

Wee need to keep things

in perspective.

I mean, there's-

- I mean-

- The risk of inaction

is extremely high,

And every day

you live your life,

You lose another day of life.

What's the risk

of just sitting there?

I mean, you just lost a day.

You just died a day.

You don't have that many,

so...

If you're not fighting

for the things

That you care about,

and every day is disappearing,

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