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Then, I mean, you are losing.

that's your machine.

It's up here.

It's up here.

- Pick it up so it

doesn't go somewhere else.

Sh*t!

And then you just rip that-

Pick it up

and press the green button.

- Yes,

you called on this box.

Julian assange.

No, I was in the house.

- It's about you getting

your mind into

Not using language

that sounds hostile to women

Or to suggest that in general,

Women are absolutely entitled

To bring cases

against men who rape.

Your position is,

"I'm not one of them. "

You know?

So you have to sort of

Find the language that,

you know-

That helps you

to explain that,

Other than sounding as if

you're somebody who thinks that,

You know, this is all a mad,

um...

Feminist conspiracy.

I don't think

that's helpful to you.

- No, to say it publicly

is not helpful.

- I know,

but I'd like to persuade you

That it isn't true as well.

- Privately, it's-

- it feels like it to you.

- Privately,

it's a social democratic party

Plus general influence

from the government.

It's just a thoroughly...

Tawdry radical feminist

Political positioning thing.

It's some-some stereotype.

- And you stumbled

into this nest of-of-

Yes.

She started the lesbian

nightclub in gothenburg.

- I mean, you know,

but what people would say is,

"well, you know, what's her

setting up a lesbian nightclub

Got to do with the price

of fish?" you know-

- No, I know.

She's in that circle-

That circle of-

- she's-you know,

The fact that somebody

is a feminist,

And even a radical feminist,

doesn't mean-

- You know the krens?

The police woman I have

Been running as a tag team.

- But, julian, you see...

- They go to krens.

- I want to stop you using

That kind of language of saying

"they were running

as a tag team,"

And so on, because,

you know,

It's making it as if-

- not in public. I just say-

Yeah, but I mean, of course-

An actual court case.

I mean, it's going to be very,

very hard for these women.

They'll be reviled forever

By a large segment

of the global population,

And so...

I don't think

it's in their interest

To proceed that way.

If I was them, I would go-

They need to save face,

so they would do something

Like we'd do a deal where,

um...

I would apologize for anything

That I did or didn't do

To hurt their feelings,

And they would say,

"enough is enough.

"we didn't want-

"we obviously didn't want-

We didn't intend

to file a complaint,"

And that's publicly agreed,

and this is too severe.

Part of the problem in this case

is that there's two women,

And the public just can't even

keep them separate.

So if there was one,

you could go,

"she's a bad woman," okay?

I think that would have

happened by now.

"this person

is a bad character-

Bad faith,

and here's the evidence

That points for it. "

Because there's two,

it's much harder.

I thought

I'd try and look as much

Like the judges as possible.

- Yeah.

It works?

Here we are.

Here we are.

Okay.

Julian. Julian!

- Sir, sir! Sir!

- How do you feel?

- A man who's been involved

in exposing

The crimes of the u. S. Empire

is under threats,

Or potentially being extradited

to the United States.

It seems very likely to

be a malicious

Prosecution against him,

and that's why I'm here

To show my solidarity.

- If he assaulted the women,

then that's a different case,

And it's important

that he answers to that,

And he has to answer to her,

but at the moment,

I don't know,

and whatever he did there,

I still support

what he's doing with wikileaks.

- How confident are you

of a win?

- Step back, gentlemen.

Give a little space.

Activists:

I shall be released

any day now

I shall be released

Activists:

I shall be released

Production journal.

This is not the film

I thought I was making.

I thought I could ignore

the contradictions.

I thought they were

not part of the story.

I was so wrong.

They are becoming the story.

So click save.

You're in a region

that is extremely valuable

To wiretap,

and you are almost certainly

Being monitored.

In tunisia, we know

that this is happening.

- Yes.

- So that's true for all of us

Right now, no question,

and if you look,

You can see that this

is the case, because

Some websites are blocked.

- Yes.

- In syria, they use devices

called "bluecoat. "

They record everything

that goes in and out of syria,

So every time

you send an e-mail,

They record the entire thing.

Think about it in terms

of safe sex, right?

And this is the same thing.

People are practicing

unsafe computing;

Sometimes, in some places,

the result of that is death.

So you have to make

those choices and know

That there are options,

but just like condoms,

Well, they could break.

- Yeah.

And you're in a world of hurt.

That's maybe not the greatest

And most culturally

appropriate analogy...

- Well, I'm glad one of you did.

That's awkward.

Good times.

- Technology can always

be used in two ways.

Isn't the internet

just an infrastructure?

One that can be used to spread

the idea of freedom,

But also to control people.

- Yeah, of course.

The infrastructure

as we build it today...

- In a way that has

never been possible before.

- Well, I don't know.

I mean, it depends.

I think the scary thing

is the control thing.

- Mm-hmm.

- There's control that is

Afforded now that

is unlike anything else

That has ever happened.

At the same time,

the avenues for communication

Are everything we had

before plus this.

Maybe that allows for us

to build new alternatives

That previously were not

possible without the internet.

I think that that is the case.

That's what we think

That we're doing with tor.

- Don't you give bad guys

a hideout?

- No.

I mean, not any more than,

For example, roads help

terrorists to travel...

- Yeah.

- Or trains or something

Like that, or airplanes.

I mean, what we do is we ensure

That every person-

not one person excluded,

Has the right to read

and the right to speak freely,

With no exceptions.

- So what happened in egypt,

they did use all these

Completely insecure

communications mechanisms...

- Mm-hmm.

- But they did it quickly,

So they were able

to communicate quickly

Because they use insecure

communications mechanisms.

And so you whip-

a political situation

Was whipped up

and evolved much faster

Than their opponents

could see it,

Understand it,

and act on it.

- So, I think that

the general principle

You have there is true,

But I don't think

that it actually

Is the case that,

in the long run,

All of those

insecure technologies

Will actually benefit them.

In tunisia, we were told that

people in syria were killed.

- How many people are you

willing to sacrifice

In order to get

the political gain,

Or if you were

one of those people,

How much of your own life

are you willing to risk

In order to get

that political gain?

- Well, part of-

- and that actually-actually,

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